Evidence of meeting #35 for Natural Resources in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was proposed.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jeff Labonté  Director General, Energy Safety and Security Branch, Energy Sector, Department of Natural Resources
Tyler Cummings  Deputy Director, Frontier Lands Management Division, Petroleum Resources Branch, Department of Natural Resources
Jean François Roman  Legal Counsel, Legal Services, Department of Natural Resources
Philippe Méla  Procedural Clerk
Joanne Kellerman  General Counsel and Executive Director, Legal Services, Department of Natural Resources
Dave McCauley  Director, Uranium and Radioactive Waste Division, Electricity Resources Branch, Energy Sector, Department of Natural Resources

11:25 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Do we have any medical evidence that all health impacts would be identified within 30 years? The impacts from other incidents have turned up much later. Was the number just pulled from a hat? You can always exceed an international convention; you simply can't be “less than”. The convention says that it's at least 30 years. There's no reason that you can't say 50.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. McCauley.

11:25 a.m.

Director, Uranium and Radioactive Waste Division, Electricity Resources Branch, Energy Sector, Department of Natural Resources

Dave McCauley

In the current legislation, the limit is 10 years for a bodily injury. We recognize, because of the scientific evidence, that certain cancers are only experienced or are latent until some 20 to 23 years after radiation exposure. That is why we have moved, similar to the international conventions, to the 30-year limit. The problem with extending it even further is that it becomes very difficult to prove causation at much longer periods, and you'll find that the insurers certainly don't insure beyond the 10 years because of the problems of proving causation.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

It's pretty weak.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Ms. Moore.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Christine Moore NDP Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

In terms of—

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Protect the insurance companies—

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Order, please.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Christine Moore NDP Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

In terms of the physical damage that can be detected only after a number of years, we might think of damage affecting reproductive functions.

Take, for example, a person who might have been the victim of an accident at a very young age. It could be that they would be only aware of a problem with their reproductive system 30 or 40 years later when they tried to have children. Some damage does not reveal itself immediately because life situations mean that one does not recognize it immediately.

In my view, including a 50-year period would cover the totality of physical damage that might take some time before it becomes known or recognized.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

We'll go to the vote on amendment NDP-12.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Christine Moore NDP Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

A recorded vote, please.

(Amendment negatived: nays 5; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

We go now to government amendment G-4.

Go ahead, please, Ms. Block.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar, SK

Mr. Chair, before I speak to amendment G-4, I'm wondering when I might have an opportunity to clarify something in regard to amendments G-1 and G-2.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

You could do that now. It's a translation issue, I understand, so perhaps you could just mention that now.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar, SK

I did have an opportunity during the health break to speak with our legislative clerks to find out if in fact the French and English versions mirror one another. I was told that they don't mirror one another, but that they essentially say the same thing. I do have a statement written in French that I believe would actually more closely mirror what the English version says.

I have been taking French for about four years, but I will not attempt to read it into the record at this meeting. I might ask my colleague to read it in, if that's appropriate, or I could hand it to the legislative clerks, whatever you would prefer.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Either way; if you have a copy here, it might be a good idea anyway.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar, SK

I do have a copy.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Yes, if we could do that, and then....

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar, SK

Do you want Mr. Trost to read it and then give you the hard copy?

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

We do have an issue here. We've adopted the clause. We'll have to have agreement to go back to that.

I didn't realize it. Maybe we should wait until we finish with this clause and then we'll go back to that.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Didn't we defer a vote on those clauses, or is this a different one?

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar, SK

No, this is the one that we were referring to.

11:30 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

We deferred the vote. We didn't vote. We were going to have the vote at the end, as we do with all the others.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

No, all we've deferred is the title. We had finished with the others.

Go ahead, please, Ms. Block.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly Block Conservative Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar, SK

Before I speak to amendment G-4, I have to note that there is one word missing in the text that's been circulated, and it's under (b). The following line should say, “if the damage that is suffered”. The word that should be there is the word “if”.