Evidence of meeting #45 for Natural Resources in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was industry.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Glenn Mason  Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources
Robert Jones  Director, Industry and Trade Division, Policy, Economics and Industry Branch, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Bradley Trost Conservative Saskatoon—Humboldt, SK

I'd like to follow up on that first point you made, then. You put some of this in the deck. What would you list as the biggest challenges? I see that you have three of them here in your deck on transformation. Why specifically would you choose those challenges as the biggest challenges for the industry?

4:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Forest Service, Department of Natural Resources

Glenn Mason

I've actually been engaged in a cross-country conversation with CEOs in this sector. I've been asking them those questions—that's why I think they're good questions to ask—and trying to assess what they think are the strategic long-term concerns. Now, you mentioned a number of other actors. I haven't necessarily been talking with all of the actors. I've been focusing on the industry.

The first question that everybody's going to ask is, will there be a forest in 100 years? Are we going to have fibre? Are we going to have a basis for our industry? It doesn't matter if you're from the right or from the left, that's the most important question.

Now, that's not necessarily a question that the federal government is primarily responsible for. We're not responsible for the supply of trees. We're not responsible for fibre. That's a provincial responsibility. We do strategic science that supports it. But there's a lot of long-term modelling, and people have a lot of concerns about the future. You're not going to invest in this sector if you don't think there's a future.

On the other hand, if you're living in a small rural community, you want there to be a forest. You see a need to have an industry based on that resource. In that context, I think folks have a number of other concerns. Is the fibre going to be there, and then are we going to be allowed to use it? That's where all parties in society have to come together and talk about what they want to do with the forest. We've been using our forest for over 100 years, and we've done so in a sustainable manner. Through our science, we're constantly improving our forestry practices.

We believe there will be a forest, but it will be a different forest. It would be good to know, to the extent that we can know, what that forest will be.

Then there's a question about what the markets will be, and what products we can produce. I think we increasingly think that transformation and innovation are central parts to that story. I suspect there will always be firms in Canada that are among the most efficient producers of two-by-fours in the world. But that's the basis, that's not the highest point we can reach. We can do so much more with wood. As I talked about in my presentation, there are all kinds of biochemicals. Anything you make from petroleum you can make from a tree. It doesn't mean it's economic—we need to explore those things—but there are new and renewable products that we can make from trees that we're not making today. There are engineered wood products we can make that are stronger and better than a single stick of wood, so we can build taller and better and higher.

I think that's how I would answer that question.

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Trost, your time is up.

Thank you to our witnesses today for a great presentation and for answering questions from the members. Thanks to Glenn Mason, assistant deputy minister at the Canadian Forest Service, and Robert Jones, director of the industry and trade division in the policy, economics and industry branch of the service.

Thanks to all four of you for being here today.

We'll suspend for a couple of minutes to go in camera, and we'll have our discussion to put together a plan for where we go from here with this study.

[Proceedings continue in camera]