Evidence of meeting #34 for Official Languages in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cuts.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marielle Beaulieu  Executive Director, Fédération des communautés francophones et acadienne du Canada
Gaétan Cousineau  Director General, Fédération canadienne pour l'alphabétisation en français
Murielle Gagné-Ouellette  Director General, Commission nationale des parents francophones
Jean-Rodrigue Paré  Committee Researcher
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Danielle Bélisle
Mariette Carrier-Fraser  President, Assemblée de la francophonie de l'Ontario
Francine Brisebois  Centre culturel de Cornwall, Stormont, Dundas et Glengarry
Pierre Bourbeau  Director General, Fédération culturelle canadienne-française
Jean Comtois  Vice-President, Assemblée de la francophonie de l'Ontario

10:40 a.m.

Bloc

Paule Brunelle Bloc Trois-Rivières, QC

Why then specify “rural”? Are there no urban needs?

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Jean-Claude D'Amours Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Most official language communities are rural. However, I would not want to exclude the Toronto region, where there are francophones, and other major centres where there are also francophones.

On the other hand, the rural issue was important to me because there are small publications in rural areas that do not necessarily have a large circulation. It is therefore very difficult for them to serve their communities. Consequently, my motion was intended to provide assistance for the delivery of publications to people's homes.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

Mr. Godin.

10:40 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

That could sometimes cause confusion. Indeed, in the first motion it is said that “Publications Assistance Program for official language communities”. And now it says: “...for publications serving rural communities and official language communities.”

I do not think, for example, that Moncton is rural.

10:45 a.m.

Bloc

Paule Brunelle Bloc Trois-Rivières, QC

It is not rural. No.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Jean-Claude D'Amours Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Yes, because the population is below 250,000.

Please, Mr. Chairman, I was basing what I said on an assumption. For example, one could try to divide it up and talk about a certain number of publications, but it would not be accurate.

I brought in the question of rurality to determine whether a city or a town in Canada was urban or rural. Unless I am mistaken, the threshold is around a population of 250,000.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

The researchers will help us on this.

10:45 a.m.

Committee Researcher

Jean-Rodrigue Paré

The technical term is, "official language minority communities." So the francophones in Moncton are included.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Does the word “rural” not lead to confusion?

10:45 a.m.

Committee Researcher

Jean-Rodrigue Paré

The word “rural” is something else again. It is a category that is used or that can be used by Statistics Canada to define—

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

All right.

On the one hand we say: “for publications serving rural communities”. And on the other hand if we say “and official language communities”, it would include Toronto as well.

10:45 a.m.

Committee Researcher

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Even if it's urban?

10:45 a.m.

Committee Researcher

Jean-Rodrigue Paré

Yes, it applies to official language communities in Toronto.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Yes, there are official language communities in Toronto. They are a minority.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

Yes, living in a minority community.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Jean-Claude D'Amours Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

If this strikes you as too complicated and confusing, my objective is for official language minority communities to be included.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

I am—

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Jean-Claude D'Amours Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

It's clear in my mind, but I can understand that—

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

It's clear for me too, until you add the word “rural”.

10:45 a.m.

Bloc

Vivian Barbot Bloc Papineau, QC

We could move an amendment.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Jean-Claude D'Amours Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

We could—

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

No, let's go back to the first motion.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Jean-Claude D'Amours Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Perhaps if—

10:45 a.m.

Bloc

Paule Brunelle Bloc Trois-Rivières, QC

We take the first and add the words “living in a minority community”.