Evidence of meeting #43 for Official Languages in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was bilingual.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Danielle Bélisle
Graham Fraser  Commissioner of Official Languages, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages
Renald Dussault  Assistant Commissioner, Compliance Assurance Branch, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages

10:45 a.m.

Commissioner of Official Languages, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages

Graham Fraser

My interpretation is that Part VII, and the amendment made to it, thanks in large part to this committee's work, deals in particular with minority communities. Some sections give much broader meaning to this. As far as consulting with the military is concerned, the challenge is to determine exactly what type of consultation should occur, and with whom. Are we talking about the community surrounding the base?

10:50 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

You can consult former service men and women. Now that they can speak, of course. It's funny how hard it is to get any information out of military personnel who haven't yet retired. They are extremely polite, kind, and do what they are asked.

On the other hand, those who are no longer with the service have no qualms about coming to our offices and telling us stories about how bad things are. For example, we were told that on National Defence's big Airbus the film was only screened in English. Now, that's not the end of the world, but it's the kind of thing that gets me a little riled.

It clearly indicates that steps need to be taken to ensure the public is consulted. These people are part of Canadian society. Why should National Defence be excluded? When bill S-3 was enacted, it made these provisions binding instead of declaratory. Don't we have a new tool to help us enforce the act?

I think that we need to add what I am about to say to the record. No one asked the commissioner anything about the anglophone issue at National Defence. We need to try and make sure these two languages are on an equal footing in the workplace. Francophones can't be turned into anglophones and vice versa, but these people should be able to get service in their own language. Right now, this is not the case.

10:50 a.m.

Commissioner of Official Languages, Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages

Graham Fraser

I'll bear in mind your comments on Part VII. I'll go back to the office and see if in fact—

10:50 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

You'll consult an army of lawyers to tell us whether National Defence is part of Canadian society and whether officials at that department should have held consultations rather than claiming they consulted the Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages. They didn't do this. They had a good look at the 12 recommendations and tried to get us to believe that they consulted the commissioner. I was insulted to learn that.

And on that note, I'd like to thank you once again.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

Thank you.

I'd like to thank the members and our guest, particularly Mr. Fraser. I think that the official languages are better off for having you at the helm.

Our next meeting will take place on March 20.

This meeting is adjourned.