Evidence of meeting #21 for Official Languages in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was coverage.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Hubert T. Lacroix  President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada
Sylvain Lafrance  Executive Vice-President, French Services, CBC/Radio-Canada
Yves Trudel  Executive Director, Fédération des francophones de la Colombie-Britannique
Jean-Rodrigue Paré  Committee Researcher

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Good morning one and all and welcome to this 21st meeting of the Standing Committee on Official Languages. The subject of today's meeting is broadcasting and services in French of the Vancouver 2010 Olympic Games.

We are pleased this morning to welcome the representatives of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Allow me to introduce them: Mr. Hubert Lacroix, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and Mr. Sylvain Lafrance, Executive Vice-President responsible for French Services. Welcome to the Committee. We are very pleased to see you here today.

I believe you have a request to make to the Committee regarding certain documents.

9:05 a.m.

Hubert T. Lacroix President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Yes, we would like to table some documents with you this morning.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

According to Committee policy, documents normally have to be tabled in both official languages and, if it is correspondence, we need unanimous consent for them to be distributed in one official language only.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Could we be told what these documents are?

9:05 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

It is correspondence between CTV and ourselves on the subject under discussion this morning. It is quite relevant.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

We will make an exception.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Is there unanimous consent to distribute this correspondence between the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and CTV regarding television coverage of the Olympic Games?

We will ensure that it is translated very quickly.

Mr. Godin, please.

9:05 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Mr. Chairman, when the representatives of CTV appeared before us, they provided us with correspondence in English.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

It had been translated.

9:05 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

In that case, Mr. Chairman, I suggest that we have this correspondence translated.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

That is what we are going to do. Our service will provide a translation, Mr. Godin.

We will now proceed with distribution of the documents.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

Daniel Petit Conservative Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

Are they confidential documents?

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

That question is for our witnesses to answer.

9:05 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

They can be made public.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Without any further ado, Mr. Lacroix, I would ask that you proceed with your opening comments.

9:05 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for inviting me to appear today to talk about the upcoming Vancouver Olympics.

As you know, with me today is Mr. Sylvain Lafrance, Executive Vice-President, French Services, for Radio-Canada.

As you also know, CBC/Radio-Canada has been the official Canadian broadcaster of the Olympic Games for the past seven Olympics. Olympic coverage for us has been the culmination of our ongoing commitment to showcasing Canadian amateur athletes, and we are very proud of the calibre of coverage we have provided to Canadians.

In 2005, we submitted a bid to the International Olympic Committee to try and secure the broadcast rights for the 2010 Vancouver and 2012 London Olympics. That bid proposed a partnership between CBC/Radio-Canada, CanWest Global Communications Corporation, The Score specialty sports channel, La Presse and Telus.

We offered the IOC $93 million US, which was $25 million more than what we had bid for the rights to the Turin and Beijing Olympics. Unfortunately, the IOC rejected our bid and accepted a bid of $153 million US, submitted by what was then known as Bell Globemedia.

We were disappointed, of course, that our bid to broadcast the Olympics was rejected, but we were particularly surprised when, immediately after winning the broadcast rights in Lausanne on February 11, 2005, Bell Globemedia announced that it would solve its problem of providing service to Francophones by having Radio-Canada carry its signal. The fact is, however, that BellGlobemedia had never discussed that with us.

As my predecessor, Robert Rabinovitch, explained at the time, CBC/Radio-Canada has specific obligations to Francophones and Anglophones in Canada under the Broadcasting Act. We simply cannot allow another broadcaster to replace our programming with their own to fix deficiencies in their coverage. That fact has not changed.

We are aware of the Committee's concerns about Olympic coverage reaching Francophones who do not subscribe to cable or satellite. In fact, it was Mr. Lafrance who told the Senate Official Languages Committee, back in December of 2006, that we would be open to being part of the solution, provided that any arrangement met four key conditions.

First of all, that we produce and broadcast our own programming for television, radio and the Internet, or be involved in some co-production and co-broadcasting partnership. Second, we want the specific programming needs of Francophone and Anglophone audiences to be met through two independent program offerings. Third, we would like our broadcast to treat all Francophone audiences in Canada equally. And, fourth, we want to be compensated for the costs associated with becoming an Olympic partner.

In December of 2007, we discussed the situation with RDS, but there was no interest on their part.

Similar conversations also took place in May of 2008, and I repeated at the time that we would be prepared to negotiate a partnership agreement with CTV, provided that the four conditions outlined by Sylvain Lafrance were met. However, CTV was still not interested.

Then earlier this year, the CRTC chairman wrote to me requesting that CBC/Radio-Canada look again into the possibility of offering its assistance to CTV in order to provide greater broadcast coverage of the games. In my February 3 response—which you have in front of you under tab 4—we told CTV that consistent with the chairman's suggestions, we would consider broadcasting the international television signal pool feed of a few key events from the Vancouver Olympics across our network. This is the unedited feed, the signal without commentary that is made available to all international broadcasters.

In this correspondence, we stated that we would not seek compensation from CTV for providing this service, but we would offset our costs of providing this service to Canadians through the sale of commercials on our own broadcast. Again, CTV replied that it had no need for our assistance.

Then, out of the blue, Rick Brace announced to this committee that CTV was now prepared to provide us with the feeds, but they would keep all of the advertising revenue. Frankly, I'm surprised by this announcement, because they didn't even inform us of the offer. I still have not heard directly from CTV.

However, yesterday, we went after the information. So Sylvain Lafrance contacted the head of RDS, and he was told that CTV had several conditions on their offer, some of which were not mentioned to you by Mr. Brace on Tuesday. For example, we must give up our advertising space and carry their advertising as is, we must shut off the broadcast to francophones living in Quebec, no CBC/Radio-Canada personnel are to be allowed on the premises of the Olympics that we are supposed to cover, we cannot shoot any of our own material, and we must pay for all of the costs associated with the broadcast.

Now I'll leave you to decide if you think their offer is indeed generous and to wonder why these conditions were not shared with you on Tuesday.

You know what our current financial situation is. We have had to cut $171 million from our budget this year and eliminate 800 jobs. Also, we have just found out that we will be subject to the government's Strategic Review Initiative, which will target an additional 5% of our appropriation.

I can tell you right now that CBC/Radio-Canada is not prepared to defray any costs to provide a service that CTV undertook to deliver when it paid $163 million to secure the broadcasting rights, as that would be tantamount to allowing CTV to generate a profit for its own shareholders at a time when we are being forced to lay off our employees. That kind of bailout for CTV is completely irresponsible, and we will not be part of it.

In order for CBC/Radio-Canada to be involved in these Olympics, we must be appropriately compensated, either directly by CTV, or by selling advertising on our own airwaves during the Olympics, and CTV must obviously lift its ridiculous conditions.

However, I would ask Committee members to think about all of this for a moment. A private broadcaster secures the broadcast rights to the Olympics by bidding $60 million US more than we did, and when it is unable to provide the level of service it committed to, the public broadcaster is expected to come to its rescue and assume the costs of a bailout. Is this really a wise use of public resources?

For our part, we remain committed to amateur sports and to the Olympics, and will continue bidding for the Canadian broadcast rights to future Olympic Games at the appropriate time.

I hope that commitment will receive the support it deserves from your Committee, but it is important for you to know that we will not do that at any cost—not in the future, not now.

We would now be pleased to take your questions.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Mr. Lacroix.

We will begin with Mr. Rodriguez.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Lacroix, Mr. Lafrance, welcome to the Committee. I am very pleased that you are able to be with us today. I would have preferred that we have a chance to meet in better circumstances, when things were going a little better for you. We are going to see what can be done to make that happen.

Is Olympic coverage a paying proposition? You have provided it in the past; does it bring in a lot of money?

9:15 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

For most of the Olympic coverage we have provided on our airwaves, CBC/Radio-Canada has not made any profit. The costs associated with covering the last five Games were very extensive.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

So, CTV could say the same thing. I asked them that question. I gave you the example of Bell “freesat”, which would cost $5 million altogether. I asked them if they could not invest that $5 million in providing access to people who do not have cable or satellite.

On the other hand, you are saying that it is not really profitable and that there may not necessarily be the needed flexibility in--

9:15 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

I am talking mainly about what CBC/Radio-Canada has done in the past. Over the years, we have covered the Olympic Games. As you know, there is a cost associated with broadcast rights. We then try to recover an equivalent amount through the sale of advertising. We absorb the rest.

Sylvain, would you like to add anything?

9:15 a.m.

Sylvain Lafrance Executive Vice-President, French Services, CBC/Radio-Canada

I just want to say that profitability is in relation to the cost of purchasing rights. That is the main expense. Because they paid a lot more than what we would have paid to secure those rights, it will not be easy for them to make a profit from coverage of the Games.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

They bid a lot more than you did.

9:20 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, French Services, CBC/Radio-Canada

Sylvain Lafrance

Yes, their bid was $63 million higher.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Without asking you to negotiate in public, what amount would you consider acceptable? What would prompt you to accept the offer?