Evidence of meeting #16 for Official Languages in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was roadmap.

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MPs speaking

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Marthe Hamelin  President, Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité
Brigitte Gagné  Director General , Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité
Collin Bourgeois  President, Réseau de développement économique et d'employabilité (RDÉE) Canada
Jean-Marie Nadeau  President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick
Melvin Doiron  Administrator, Board of Directors, Director General of the Coopérative de développement régional – Acadie ltée, Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité
Guy Le Blanc  Administrator, Réseau de développement économique et d'employabilité (RDÉE) Canada

8:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Welcome to the 16th meeting of the Standing Committee on Official Languages on this Tuesday, November 29, 2011.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108, we are conducting a study on the evaluation of the Roadmap for the purpose of improving programs and service delivery.

Today, we have the representatives of three groups. Testifying first are Ms. Hamelin, Ms. Gagné and Mr. Doiron, from the Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité. Then we will hear from Mr. Bourgeois and Mr. Le Blanc, from the Réseau de développement économique et d'employabilité Canada. Lastly, we'll hear from Mr. Nadeau, from the Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick.

Welcome, everyone.

We'll start with the presentation of the Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité.

8:45 a.m.

Marthe Hamelin President, Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité

Good morning, Mr. Chair, committee members, thank you for the invitation you have sent us. We are pleased to be with you this morning.

I would like to introduce the Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité. My name is Marthe Hamelin and I am its president. I am here with Brigitte Gagné, director general, and Melvin Doiron, a member of CCCM's board of directors. Mr. Doiron is also director general of the Coopérative de développement régional — Acadie ltée, in New Brunswick, and a delegate of the Conseil acadien de la coopération.

The Conseil acadien de la coopération et de la mutualité has been in existence since 1946 and represents 3,700 cooperatives and 54 mutual companies, which generate turnover of over $23 billion annually. The 8.9 million individual members hold more than $180 billion in assets and help support 100,000 quality jobs in every francophone and Acadian community in Canada.

Cooperatives and mutual companies operate in every sector of the economy. The caisses populaires and credit cooperatives are definitely the most familiar. However, there are also cooperatives in the forest sector, food services, housing, accommodation, funeral services, health care and education. Many cooperatives are established by newcomers and bring people together around activities such as sewing and food services.

The cooperative structure is increasingly popular and increasingly recognized as a good way to start up a business.

I will now hand over to Ms. Gagné.

8:45 a.m.

Brigitte Gagné Director General , Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité

It should be noted from the outset that the Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité is honestly unable to evaluate the impact of the current Roadmap as the cooperatives were unable to be partners in the Roadmap's implementation. We argued in favour of including a major economic development component in the current Roadmap, but our recommendation went unheeded.

Today we are back before you to propose that an economic development component be introduced in the next Roadmap. Our argument is simple: if the members of the francophone minority communities and Acadians cannot do business in their language, they are doomed to slow but certain assimilation.

It must be possible to discuss everything and to make every choice in French, whether it concerns family finances or the various necessary transactions of everyday life, in the areas of legal needs, medical care and tax payments. Otherwise, we quickly forget the terms associated with those notions in our mother tongue.

For more than 100 years, the cooperatives have been important players in maintaining, consolidating and developing the francophone and Acadian communities. They have played an essential role in ensuring their cohesion and integration into Canadian economic life.

Some of these experiences are well documented. We can cite the example of the Evangeline region in Prince Edward Island and that of the Lamèque and Miscou Islands in New Brunswick. In fact, the cooperative model has enabled those communities to live and work in their mother tongue through the introduction of measures to strengthen the use of their language in all areas of activity. It has enabled those communities to preserve and support their vitality, to organize and to live on the land they have chosen.

Cooperative development is a serious, effective, transparent and democratic business model. Unlike individual entrepreneurship, it is a collective business model that is largely unknown. It can be presented as an alternative to a possible entrepreneurial venture.

The strength of the cooperative model has been proven. An analysis of the survival rate of cooperatives conducted by the Quebec Ministry of Economic Development, Innovation and Export in 2008 showed that cooperatives have a much longer lifespan than private Quebec businesses. Four in 10 cooperatives have been in business for more than a decade, compared to two in 10 for all Quebec businesses.

However, cooperatives are not just another way to do business, but a specific, value-based business model that can be adapted to all sectors of activity and businesses of all sizes. At a time when a large part of the world's population is indignant, cooperatives can offer new sustainable economic development solutions and more consistent with communities' needs.

In addition, the Canadian government is currently making a significant effort to strengthen the Canadian economy and permit the creation of new businesses. In the circumstances, it could choose to cooperate closely with the cooperative movement to develop innovative and sustainable solutions.

Our commitment to cooperative development has been supported for a number of years by a program of Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada. It has also been supported by the efforts of existing cooperatives. You will find figures and actual results in the document that was distributed to you.

The Rural and Cooperatives Secretariat is the Government of Canada's entry point for all questions regarding the cooperative movement. The secretariat was recently invited to join the group of ministers working on the new Roadmap. We are pleased to support its efforts and hope the relationship will encourage recognition of the cooperative movement as an essential player in an economic development component that is included in the Roadmap.

Lastly, we support the implementation of an expanded pan-Canadian issue table involving the cooperative movement in order to develop a coherent national policy on economic and social development in which the cooperative movement would be invited to take part. We also believe the cooperative model must be recognized as an economic development tool, an essential business model for official language minority communities.

Thank you for your attention.

8:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thanks to the CCCM representatives.

The representatives of the Réseau de développement économique et d'employabilité Canada will now have the floor.

8:50 a.m.

Collin Bourgeois President, Réseau de développement économique et d'employabilité (RDÉE) Canada

Mr. Chair, committee members and partners, on behalf of the board of directors of RDÉE Canada, the Réseau de développement économique et d'employabilité, my co-manager and member of the board, the Honourable Guy Le Blanc, and myself, I want to thank you for allowing us to appear before you today to tell you about the initiatives and remarkable results of RDÉE Canada and its network, which have been made possible through various federal government contributions.

Following our presentation, the committee will understand that the alliance between RDÉE Canada and its partners has made it possible to meet the Government of Canada's commitment under the Roadmap for Canada's Linguistic Duality by ensuring the continued existence of our francophone and Acadian communities, which has had the effect of promoting Canada's economic development.

Allow me to introduce our network. RDÉE Canada, the national office, works together with provincial and territorial agencies, the 12 RDÉEs across Canada, to support the economic vitality and development of the francophone minority and Acadian communities. The RDÉEs have more than 130 employees, including 100 development officers. As they are non-profit organizations, all those agencies are independent. Some are particularly active in employability development, while others also work in entrepreneurship. Based on the funding the RDÉEs receive, our network's mandate is to reinforce the communities' ability to establish and support a viable and sustainable local economy.

Consequently, community economic development enhances the communities' ability to react and adjust to economic changes. It also fosters the integration of both economic and social objectives in the strategic framework which we established at the outset more than 13 years ago now. That community economic development strategy serves as a backdrop to the implementation of our planning and is based on two themes: economic capacity development and human capacity development.

RDÉE Canada receives most of its funding through the Enabling Fund for Official Language Minority Communities, a financial contribution granted through Human Resources and Skills Development Canada. That fund is one of the components of the strategy implemented by the Government of Canada to reinforce linguistic duality in Canadian society. For Canadians, that represents ongoing support for economic and labour market development in the minority communities. This is done through partnerships, development plans and capacity-building. On average, the Enabling Fund constitutes 54% of our network's total funding, which represents approximately $9 million a year. Other funding comes from WD, ACOA and other federal sources, as well as the RDÉEs themselves and certain provincial and territorial agencies.

Unfortunately, funding must be renewed from one year to the next. This means we have no guaranteed stability. The funding paid by our main funding agency unfortunately does not enable all our provincial and territorial RDÉEs to provide services and support to start-ups or even existing businesses for economic capacity development or to industries or economic sectors. Its objective is to build community capacity in the human resources development sector, in other words employability, which covers only part of the sectors we have to support.

This year at RDÉE Canada, we completed the 13th year of implementation of the MOU between the Government of Canada, represented by a number of ministers, and RDÉE Canada, which represents the francophone and Acadian communities. As you will therefore understand, our national committee is an instrument designed to bring the minority francophone communities and the Government of Canada closer together. Through that committee, RDÉE Canada aims to advise the ministers and departments on government policies, programs and services so that they more adequately meet our communities' economic development and employability needs. The committee should help us diversify our funding sources.

With time and effort, this national committee has enabled us to partly change the culture, strengthen the economic foundations of the francophone and Acadian communities, which is essential to their future, and achieve significant progress in all regions of the country.

It is important to note the role of RDÉE Canada. We are the leader in the economic development of minority francophone and Acadian communities. We offer our provincial and territorial RDÉEs a significant range of services, support and intervention to support their actions.

RDÉE Canada's strategic activities are: joint action, communications, research and analysis, professional excellence, funding and strategic alliance.

In recent years, we have been able to rely on other partners, such as Citizenship and Immigration Canada, which has supported us in the development of an economic immigration strategy.

Our network has therefore achieved considerable success in the francophone and Acadian communities across Canada. Our work is producing concrete and tangible economic development results for the country as a whole. It is also enabling us to show not only that it is possible to do business in French across the country, but also that our communities are economically dynamic.

Our network is working with the Government of Canada for the development and vitality of our francophone communities in Canada and influencing the direction of Canada's economy. You can be assured that we are making economic development a priority in our communities. We hope the recommendations of the Standing Committee on Official Languages will help recognize our network as a leader in community economic development.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your attention.

Mr. Le Blanc and I are prepared to answer your questions.

9 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you.

Now we'll hear from the Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick.

9 a.m.

Jean-Marie Nadeau President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick

Thank you very much.

Good morning, everyone. I'm very pleased to be with you again. I won't do a word-for-word reading of the brief document that we have submitted and that was only in French. The beauty of Canada is that we have the right to homogenous institutions. In that sense, we are consistent with the philosophy.

I would like you to keep the following question in the back of your minds: are all the efforts and extraordinary gains that we have made over many years enough in view of the permanently ongoing erosion? We're winning and losing at the same time. You will see along the way that even New Brunswick, which is supposed to be a linguistic paradise, is not really so. We have our own problems, and they are disturbing.

I represent the Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick, which represents some 30 Acadian organizations and approximately 20,000 individual members. I have been the organization's president for three and a half years, and my term will be ending next June. What we want to make is a kind of declaration of love. We love this country, our province, our community and our people. That is what has made us what we are today.

I live in Moncton, and I believe that city is a miniature New Brunswick. If we can manage to live in linguistic harmony in New Brunswick, which is a miniature version of Canada, I believe we have significant responsibilities. We view matters from that perspective. That hasn't yet been done, but we are working toward it, and we are making enormous progress.

With regard to the concept of the two founding peoples, the first nations must not be forgotten. I have always thought we should establish trilingualism and triculturalism. In fact, why not make it quadri or multi? Whatever the case may be, we very much embrace the concept of the two founding peoples. When I make statements like that, you have to consider that as a group. If French is being lost in Canada, we are all responsible. That will mean that we have not done our job and that we must agree to question the way we approach the issue.

There are gains, but there are also losses. Let's make sure this country doesn't become a second unilingual English United States. I think that having two official languages is an asset for this country and that we must continue making the necessary effort to ensure we move forward rather than backward. There are currently 2.5 million francophones and Acadians outside Quebec. Without federal support, we definitely would never have been able to get where we are today.

I am not convinced we have gone as far as we should, but we have nevertheless made notable, even obvious progress. The University of Moncton could never have come into existence without Canadian bilingual federalism and so on. We are extremely grateful for all that. The Roadmap has enabled us to fight battles in the health field. Sometimes we are forced to institute legal proceedings, although we are reluctant to do so. Among other things, we have also conducted a major debate in recent years in an attempt to regain our right to Acadian governance in health. We have managed to do that without having to conduct a full-fledged battle in the courts.

It is sad to always be forced to fight, but we will clearly have to fight as long as we want to live in French in North America,. We have to acknowledge that fact. However, if someone could make that fight easier for us, that would definitely be very much appreciated.

With regard to community management, we have managed to convince our government to allow the new board of directors to consist of eight elected members and seven appointees. We would have preferred to have nine elected members and six appointees, so as to have a stronger majority, but our minister has reserved the right, in the event of resignations, to appoint replacements for those members who have resigned, even if they are elected members. It is therefore entirely possible that, within six months, we may wind up with a new board of directors consisting of a majority of political appointees. We believe that could be done in the form of a consultation. All that to say that this is part of our everyday lives.

The Roadmap has also enabled us to achieve something else. New Brunswick may be the kingdom of community radio. In 1989, I had the good fortune to be the founding president of CJSE, in Shediac. The federal government was very useful in that matter. I would like this tool to become widespread. In the southeast region, when Radio Canada was the only broadcaster of French language programming, only 5% of francophones listened to French-language radio, but now 70% of Acadians do. These are extremely important tools for Acadia and they must continue. The community radio stations enable the population to hear themselves, to dream, to make plans and to witness their successes. It has been extraordinary from an artistic creation standpoint.

With respect to immigration, through the efforts of former premier Bernard Lord four years ago, we have received special funding of $10 million over five years for francophone immigration. Unfortunately, New Brunswick is not a province that is taking people in. Instead it is a province that is losing people to our friends in Ontario and Alberta. We find it difficult to retain people. Of course, even though that was included in the Roadmap, we will not have completed the work in two years. Consequently, we hope the program is extended.

The only problem is that, since 2001, that is in the past 10 years, the core funding for the Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick has remained the same. Furthermore, considering inflation, which averages 2.2% annually, we've wound up with 30% less revenue. Consequently, our organization does not even have a research officer or communications officer. Since my executive director and I are former journalists, we can offset that deficiency. However, it is not normal for an organization of people such as ours not to have a communications officer or a research officer. For that reason, more money is necessary.

Although people say New Brunswick is a linguistic paradise, I see this morning that 1,650 francophone children in southern New Brunswick—650 in Saint John, 500 in Fredericton and 500 in Moncton—all rights holders, don't have access to French-language schools. I think it's incredible that, in 2011, 1,650 children who are rights holders don't have access to French-language schools. There is currently no more room in the schools and community centres; they are overflowing. That's even the case in Fredericton the capital, and in Moncton, where there are 500 children. The situation is becoming urgent for us. That is why we can only hope the federal government will continue to encourage the provincial governments to deal with education. We know that education is a provincial jurisdiction, but the fact remains that it is the basis of everything. Without education, you don't move forward.

There is another problem in New Brunswick. Unfortunately, I have to be pessimistic; you have to tell the truth. For the first time in New Brunswick, the number of families for which French is the first language spoke in the home has just fallen below 30%. This troubles us. For the first time, the assimilation rate is now in two figures, having risen from 9% to 11%.

That is why I'm saying we must make a collective consciousness-raising effort together. We have responsibilities. This all shows that we are not doing our job. It is not so much the others. Let's look at ourselves. As president of the SANB, I am sorry and destabilized. MPs, ministers, premiers, senior officials, commissioners of official languages have been telling us for 10 years that, for linguistic duality to be established in this country, they themselves must be champions of linguistic duality in Canada. They have to wear that pride.

I could talk about literacy rates. I thought I had original proposals. However, I hope they aren't original. I hope that my ideas are shared and that they have previously been thought. I thought I had an original proposal, but it seems we've already discussed it, and I'm proud of that.

I believe that, in this country, we have to have bilingualization programs for Canadian university graduates, and the Roadmap should include that. Let's not wait until they arrive in Ottawa to see whether they are bilingual, like our friend Michael Ferguson, who is nevertheless married to an Acadian. It is clearly he who wears the pants in that family since he hasn't learned our language, which is unfortunate. I prefer Mark Carney, or Mr. Paulson, who has just been appointed RCMP commissioner. There are some marvellous anglophones who are perfectly bilingual. There are also marvellous francophones. That's why I propose that we start early. Let's not wait until they arrive in Ottawa and take up important positions, particularly if they intend to work in the public services, such as that of New Brunswick, for example. Consequently, early childhood is important for us.

I don't know whether the other proposal is original. Earlier I told you that, in 10 years, we had lost 30% of our revenue based on the inflation rate. We fought for multi-year funding in the 1990s. We thank the federal government for granting our request. However, we forgot to negotiate to ensure that funding was indexed to the cost of living, which would have prevented us from winding up 10 years later with 30% less revenue. We therefore very much hope to see the Roadmap extended and to see it include a clause providing that funding will be indexed to the cost of living so that it reflects the actual situation. Otherwise we will ultimately be in a losing position.

According to my information, another original idea is also working its way through the federal government. That idea is to help our community improve its self-funding capacity by establishing a trust fund. I very much encourage you to reread the report that the late Senator Jean-Marie Simard wrote in the late 1990s. He advocated the creation of trust funds for minority organizations, which would give them greater independence and more money, and a more permanent way of advancing their issues. It appears that idea is circulating in Ottawa.

However, if it comes this far and the federal government decides to invest one dollar for every one-dollar contribution we make, that must not become a government pretext to encourage self-funding or, at the same time, to shirk its responsibilities and start cutting core funding. We are quite prepared to do our share to provide better funding for our organizations, but the government must not make us bear the cost of resulting cuts.

All that to say that we love living in this country as Canadians, as francophones and, especially, as Acadians, don't we, Guy? I think that being Acadian is the best way for us to contribute to this country's cultural mosaic. We want to continue living as Acadians for a long time, but in French.

Thank you for your attention to my brief presentation.

9:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you, Mr. Nadeau.

Now we have an hour and a quarter for questions and comments from committee members.

We'll begin with Mr. Godin.

9:10 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Welcome, each of you, to our Standing Committee on Official Languages, whose meeting concerns the study of the Roadmap.

As you know, the Roadmap has been in existence for a number of years and was extended. The purpose of this study is to determine whether there will be a Roadmap in 2014. We want to know whether you recommend that there be a Roadmap in 2014. These are the questions we have to ask ourselves.

I won't perhaps speak to each group, since some of my colleagues will be putting questions to various groups.

Let's talk about government leadership. Mr. Nadeau, you talked about that, which leads me to talk about it as well because it's a hot topic here in Ottawa. We have a government that has appointed a unilingual individual to a position. However, of the 33 million inhabitants of Canada, there surely isn't just one accountant. With all due respect for the former auditor general, I told her it wasn't the auditor who operated the calculator. They say we need an accountant and that we can't find anyone else but Mr. Ferguson. And yet, an auditor has to take care of the entire machinery. How will an auditor who is incapable of speaking one of the two official languages, who is incapable of speaking to francophones, deliver a report on his findings? Once the Office of the Auditor General has done its job and found the problems and recommendations that should be made, how can the auditor speak to the public?

Mr. Nadeau, you say that the two languages should be learned in the postsecondary institutions and that people should learn them before coming to Ottawa. However, isn't the government, which continues to appoint unilingual individuals to these positions, sending professionals who want to work in the public service the message that they don't need to learn both official languages? The government isn't requiring it. Don't you think the government should show some leadership and show that, in this country, where there are two founding peoples—in addition to the aboriginal peoples, let's not forget—and two official languages, English and French, certain positions simply cannot be filled with unilingual people?

9:10 a.m.

President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick

Jean-Marie Nadeau

It's definitely not a model that should be followed, and we hope this trend won't continue. At least Mr. Paulson, who's perfectly bilingual, has just been appointed to the head of the RCMP.

This has to stop. It's definitely a bad example to set. I don't feel like fighting with Mr. Harper. It seems to me he should understand that himself. What message are we sending? That bilingualism is good in a formal way, but not so good in practice?

The same is true for those of us fighting for equality among communities. There is an official equality on paper, but, in reality, as the figures I cited show, we're losing ground, even New Brunswick. Imagine how that can be for our francophone brothers and sisters in the other provinces.

This is unacceptable. Let's hope this matter is over. I think it's over.

9:15 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Was there any money before the Roadmap was introduced?

9:15 a.m.

President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick

Jean-Marie Nadeau

I hope Mr. Ferguson comes back home and spends two or three months at home in Shippagan this summer. There's a language school at the University of Moncton in Shippagan and another at Church Point, Nova Scotia, which is very pretty. It seems to me that would do him some good. As I've already said, he is married to an Acadian, but that obviously hasn't helped him learn French.

9:15 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

The Government of Canada isn't a school. The gentleman is paid $322,000 a year.

9:15 a.m.

President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick

Jean-Marie Nadeau

He is paid $354,000 a year. It seems to me we should be getting value for our money.

9:15 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

It isn't for learning French, in any case. We've talked about it a lot and we'll continue talking about it because it's unacceptable.

Let's consider the Roadmap itself. It's been around for a number of years. Do you think there should be something more in it for the Acadian community, the francophone communities or for the minorities? What is lacking in the Roadmap? I read that it took you two years to get the Roadmap money for immigration to New Brunswick. Has that problem now been solved?

9:15 a.m.

President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick

Jean-Marie Nadeau

It's solved. The agreement nevertheless ends in 2013, and so the work won't be done. That's often the case. Sometimes needs are created, but that's not permanent. As a result, women's organizations have recently lost a lot of money. Youth are also starting to be affected by cutbacks. That concerns us as well.

9:15 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Explain to us what has been cut. It's all well and good to have a Roadmap and to say that things are going better, but you're saying these people are suffering cuts here and there and that women and youth are having their programs cut back. Is the Roadmap producing the results it should be producing?

9:15 a.m.

President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick

Jean-Marie Nadeau

No; if they continue cutting the budgets, it won't.

You're asking me whether we should extend the Roadmap. My answer is that we should, but that it should be enhanced at the same time. However, that's not consistent with the messages we're receiving. The simple fact that the Roadmap grants a fixed amount is a problem. It's the same amount as five years ago. With inflation, there should at least be an adjustment. In francophone affairs, in bilingualism, the status quo is a setback.

9:15 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

I don't understand. The Roadmap should have constituted a surplus. The Roadmap isn't designed to group former programs together and say we have something new. You're telling me there have been budget cuts. Is the Roadmap working, or is it just a facade that will let us announce on the news that we have a Roadmap that's providing $16 million here and a few million there? You're telling me there are cutbacks to the programs of certain communities. Are we robbing Peter to pay Paul?

9:15 a.m.

President, Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick

Jean-Marie Nadeau

If you're asking me whether the Roadmap should be retained, my answer is that it should, but I think it should be indexed every year, or else we're losing ground.

The Roadmap has nevertheless enabled a number of federal departments to shoulder their responsibilities under Part VII of the Official Languages Act, particularly in immigration, which was not previously done.

9:15 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

What is the Roadmap specifically doing to assist the Réseau de développement économique et d'employabilité? Should it be maintained?

9:15 a.m.

President, Réseau de développement économique et d'employabilité (RDÉE) Canada

Collin Bourgeois

Thank you for the question. For us, economic development means stimulating the SMEs, encouraging the development of new businesses, going into the minority francophone communities to encourage economic participation so as to prevent the outflow of young people, the brain drain, to keep our people at home and to encourage them to work at home, to have good lives at home and especially to work in French.

9:15 a.m.

Director General , Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité

Brigitte Gagné

The Roadmap is doing nothing for us. The cooperatives have been excluded from the group of main players in the economic development of the francophone and Acadian communities. We receive funding from a little program of Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, in addition to funding from the cooperative movement.

I believe that not a single player in those communities is wondering whether the Roadmap should be preserved. We think it has to be. However, there are questions about its operation. The Roadmap must acknowledge all players in the development, maintenance and consolidation of those communities. That will enable the cooperative movement to put forward a form of entrepreneurship that is at times different from private entrepreneurship, but that also meets the collective needs of the communities.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you.

Mr. Gourde, go ahead, please.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thanks to the witnesses for being here this morning.

My first question is for the representatives of the Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité.

I believe the cooperative model is very well known in Quebec. I remember that, when I was young, I attended the annual meeting of the cooperative back home, the caisse populaire. The cooperatives have been well established in my region for about 70 years. They celebrated the 25th anniversary of the movement when I was young; today they're celebrating its 65th or 70th anniversary. The Groupe Promutuel back home is getting ready to celebrate its 160th anniversary. That institution is older than our country; that says a lot.

My riding includes a portion of Lévis, which is the cradle of cooperation. That's where the first caisse populaire was founded. It's also where the head office of the Caisses Desjardins is located. I say that to show that it really has very deep roots in Quebec.

Our region—and perhaps others as well—will have a problem to deal with. Businesses with 25 to 40 employees, even 100 employees, will have to be transferred. However, we're having trouble recruiting new entrepreneurs to acquire them. Consequently, the money necessary to acquire businesses that operate well is hard to come by.

Could the cooperative model provide assistance to workers? When a business has to be transferred and finds no takers, can workers use that model to help them acquire the business where they work so that it can continue operating?