Evidence of meeting #39 for Official Languages in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was roadmap.

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Hubert Lussier  Assistant Deputy Minister, Citizenship and Heritage, Department of Canadian Heritage

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Welcome to the Standing Committee on Official Languages on this Thursday, February 26, 2015. This is our 39th meeting.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), we are here to study managing and implementing the Roadmap for Canada's Official Languages 2013-2018 in education, immigration and communities.

Joining us today is Minister Shelly Glover. Welcome. We will also hear from Mr. Gauthier and Mr. Lussier, two officials from the Department of Canadian Heritage.

But before we begin I have two notices of motion, I believe.

Mr. Gravelle, you have the floor for the first notice of motion.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

Claude Gravelle NDP Nickel Belt, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to give the committee notice of motion:

That the committee study the availability of French language television and programming outside Quebec with respect to adhering to the language, cultural and education rights of Francophone communities and report back to the House within 45 days.

Mr. Chair, I don't know if you are aware, but the hockey games of the Montreal Canadiens are no longer broadcast in eastern Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, unless you are with Rogers. However, many places in eastern Canada don't have Rogers. I noticed that a lot of calls about that came from various communities. I even noticed that calls came from our premier's hometown. People are upset because they cannot watch the games of the Montreal Canadiens in French.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you, Mr. Gravelle.

The second notice of motion is from Mr. Nicholls.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

Jamie Nicholls NDP Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

My notice of motion reads as follows:

That the Standing Committee on Official Languages begin, by May 2015, a study to determine whether CBC/Radio-Canada has the financial, human and real property resources to adequately meet its obligations under the Official Languages Act and specific aspects of the Broadcasting Act; that it place special emphasis on official language minority communities, and that the study's meetings be televised.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you, Mr. Nicholls.

We will discuss these two motions during the second hour of our meeting of March 31, after the testimony of the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, Hon. Chris Alexander.

Ms. Glover.

3:30 p.m.

Saint Boniface Manitoba

Conservative

Shelly Glover ConservativeMinister of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

First, I would like to greet my friends who are here today. You are sort of like my family. I am delighted to be here again today.

I would also like to congratulate you on the work that you do in committee. I know that you work hard and we greatly appreciate it.

Our government contributes in many ways to the vitality of official-language communities. Your study on their economic situation will fuel our discussions about what must be done to continue to support the development of these communities. I know that in my home province of Manitoba, the Economic Development Council for Bilingual Municipalities does an amazing job. I look forward to seeing your report and recommendations.

First let's talk about the Roadmap for Canada's Official Languages 2013-2018: education, immigration, communities.

We are nearing the end of the second year of implementing our roadmap. This $1.1-billion investment over five years has borne fruit across the country in the targeted sectors of education, immigration and community support.

On education, our activities are undertaken in cooperation with our partners including those in the field of education, which is our community's number one priority.

When I met with you last year I confirmed the renewal of our cooperation with the Council of Ministers of Education, Canada. The protocol for agreements established with the council provides for federal investments of close to $1.3 billion over five years. Bilateral agreements with the provinces and territories have since been signed according to the protocol. These agreements ensure the development and the successful functioning of education networks for minority communities and second language education.

In concrete terms, it means that, today, more than 240,000 students from official language communities receive an education in their own language. Increasingly, these students are able to complete all of their education, from early childhood through to adulthood, in their own official language.

In January, we announced a contribution of $4 million in support of a professional training centre for the building trade in Saint-Eustache, Quebec. This centre will be built as a result of the cooperation between two school boards: one English and one French.

This is a winning partnership. We're working together and our young people, both anglophone and francophone, will all benefit. Last summer our government also announced a contribution of $1.2 million in support of the

Réseau des cégeps et des collèges francophones du Canada.

This is another example of our support for post-secondary training in our communities. Our government provides the necessary tools to train a solid, new generation, and this generation will in turn contribute to the future of official language communities.

Our linguistic duality is also enriched by second-language learning. In Canada, close to 2.4 million young people are learning English or French as a second language.

I myself learned French in immersion classes and so did my children. This is also the case for many of my colleagues. In fact, it is the first time in the history of our Parliament that there have been so many bilingual ministers from the West. They are the complete result of French immersion.

Knowing both of our official languages is an important advantage in the labour market. Being bilingual also introduces us to another culture and broadens our horizons.

That is the view of a growing number of Canadians. We've seen a record number of enrolments in French immersion classes this year. There are in fact more than 370,000 young people attending immersion classes in Canada, which is an increase of 18% in less than 10 years.

Having said that, I would say that I remain concerned about the lack of opportunities to practice speaking a second language in schools and I continue to encourage my provincial and territorial colleagues to ensure these opportunities exist day to day in schools. In fact in a new protocol for agreements for education, I proposed that the provinces and territories pay special attention to measuring the acquisition of language skills and promote the sharing of best practices in this area. I am hopeful these suggestions help to improve the quality of languages attained by our students.

Our young people can also benefit from the 7,800 scholarships and 700 summer jobs that we finance. These first-hand experiences complement classroom learning while giving them the opportunity to get to know our country better.

We are not focusing only on our young people. Our government is also building on language training for newcomers. More than 29,000 economic immigrants are registered in language classes.

This is a direct result of the roadmap, with immigration as one of its pillars.

The vast majority of the 250,000 immigrants that Canada receives every year have neither English nor French as their mother tongue.

Many of these immigrants integrate into our society through our official languages. Even though 20% of Canadians have a different mother tongue, more than 98% of our population speaks either English or French, or both.

Our national languages are therefore a valuable integration tool. In order to make this integration easier, we support more than 40 organizations that help newcomers to settle in francophone communities outside Quebec. We also recruit qualified francophone workers from overseas through the Destination Canada job fair, which provides matching opportunities with Canadian employers. It is increasingly successful. Requests have increased from 16,000 in 2011 to more than 20,000 in 2013.

Our actions also provide support to official language communities including direct services to citizens. We've renewed our bilateral agreements in order to help provincial and territorial governments provide services to Canadians in the language of their choice. We are talking about $16.3 million granted every year to the provinces and territories.

But other ministries are also hard at work. For example, within the framework of the road map, networking, training, and access to health care activities are implemented by Health Canada.

Industry Canada has been working to better understand the challenges that face communities in sectors like tourism.

Businesses established in francophone communities in the western part of the country can benefit from the help of Western Economic Diversification Canada for their projects on the international stage.

Arts and culture have not been left behind. I know that many of you love this topic. Our government supports a large number of cultural organizations and artists from minority communities.

In my role as Minister of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages, I often meet young francophone and francophile artists proud of their origin, their accent and their attachment to the French language.

They are following in the footsteps of Lisa LeBlanc, Les Hay Babies, Damien Robitaille, Caroline Savoie, and Chic Gamine. These are among the artists who received support from the Canada Council for the Arts or took part in one of the 750 musical showcases financed by Canadian Heritage in 2014.

Lastly, let's talk about celebrations. I agree with Commissioner Fraser about the importance of promoting both of our national languages as part of high-profile events. Within a few months the greater Toronto area will host the Pan Am and Parapan Am Games. This will provide an opportunity to highlight our linguistic duality. That's why an agreement was signed with the Toronto games organizers to ensure bilingual services.

Celebrations leading us to Canada's 150th anniversary in 2017 will also take place in the context of our commitment to promoting our official languages. They will serve as opportunities to remember that the coexistence of English and French is part of what defines us as Canadians. This year, as we celebrate 400 years of francophone presence right here in Ontario, it's important that we proclaim this loud and clear.

In conclusion, I want to encourage you all as Parliamentarians to promote the use of both of our national languages wherever and whenever possible. Being a role model to others is important and your actions could make the difference to young aspiring Canadians who dream of being bilingual.

My dream is to normalize French and English in minority language communities like mine in Saint Boniface, so that Canadians are never more surprised when they hear French and English being spoken, that they see it as normal, and truly, as a Canadian way of life.

Thank you for your attention.

Mr. Chair, I am ready to answer any questions members of the committee may have.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you, Minister.

We have almost 45 minutes for questions and comments.

We will begin with Mr. Godin.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would like to welcome the minister into her big family of the francophonie and bilingualism. I know that she is pleased to appear before us.

There is a problem in terms of the implementation of the roadmap. It is as though the government doesn’t recognize that anglophones in Quebec and francophones outside Quebec are two separate groups.

Minister, I remember what happened in Acadia, in New Brunswick, which is the only province designated as officially bilingual by the 1982 Constitution.

We were forced to maintain our institutions on our own so that francophones could take care of their own schools and anglophones could have their own school boards and so on. We had to do it.

Suppose that there are 10 people around a table. This is the reality. If only one person speaks English, that’s the language everyone will use. The same applies in schools, groups, the hallways or the schoolyard. That is what happens. It’s sad, but it’s true. So we had to stand up on the issue.

Today, it seems a trend has emerged. It is as though, when there are meetings, the government wants the two groups to be together for consultations.

Take RDÉE and CEDEC, for example. They are forced to work together. In your presentation, you said that people working together is a good thing, but this is causing a problem. When the two language groups work together on programs, the francophones are sometimes forced to speak English.

Minister, don’t you think that you should be concerned about that? What do you intend to do to stop the government from continuing down this road? I am not talking about the roadmap, but the wrong map, where these communities are brought together in such contexts.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB

Thank you for your question.

First of all, I am very proud of the Canadian Heritage program that gives funds to those holding meetings such as the ones you mentioned, to RDÉE and CEDEC. Anglophones want to participate in those meetings.

Canadian Heritage has a fund that is separate from the roadmap and that provides money for simultaneous interpretation. In this way, we are able to hear the two languages of our country and understand what those in attendance and using the language of their choice are saying. In addition, we hold consultations in our country's two official languages.

If you are at meetings and see this happening, please try to make sure that both languages are used for the benefit of all those attending. That is what I do and I encourage you to do the same.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

I don’t understand how you don’t see the problem I am referring to.

For instance, in New Brunswick, we had to separate them so that they could express themselves and preserve the culture. People there say that they would rather be on their own.

They are two separate groups. The francophones in Quebec are a minority, just like the anglophones outside Quebec, but they are two separate groups. You are asking them to be together, but that’s not what the people want.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB

Yes, but we also hold consultations separately. This happens often and we will continue to do so for those interested. Both situations take place.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Could you give my question some thought and see whether anything could be done about that?

I would like to talk about another topic, Minister.

Are you responsible for the roadmap?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB

The roadmap covers 14 departments and 28 initiatives. I play a role in horizontal coordination, but—and this is at the core of our roadmap—each department has responsibilities. I often talk with the other ministers to see how things are unfolding in their departments.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

If an organization has an issue with a department, would you, as the minister responsible for official languages, invite the organization to knock on your door for assistance in dealing with that department if the department doesn't comply with the Official Languages Act?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB

That happens often, and I am always ready to listen to any concerns the organizations may have.

I see that Marie-France Kenny from the Fédération des communautés francophones et acadienne du Canada is here with us today. She does a very good job.

She and I have often held meetings to discuss the situation in the other departments. Subsequently, I have organized meetings with the departments to make sure we work together and use the roadmap as best as we can. By the way, the roadmap investment of $1.1 billion over five years is unprecedented in the history of our country.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

In terms of the roadmap, as you know, there have been delays in the funding becoming available to the groups supported by the programs. I sent you a letter on June 2, 2014, and you answered five months later. This situation has been going on for years. Former minister James Moore said that the problem was solved and that he was going to set up a program so that people no longer had to wait and use their credit cards.

What stage are those programs at? Are you no longer behind? Are you up to date with that? As I said, a number of people were forced to use their credit cards.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB

Thank you again for the question, which has two parts.

First, I am very proud to say that Marie-France Kenny came to see me about some of the delays. I worked hard with the department to release all the files we had and she told me that some had not been released. I told her that we would work on the weekend, overtime and even at night to make sure it was done. I told her to give me the information and that we were going to do it. She wasn't able to because the people did not want to disclose the identity of the persons, but we did our best to get them out.

There is another key point and I think you mentioned it. At the outset, some departments were lagging behind. Usually, the roadmap deals with economic diversification agencies. Since the programs were new, they had trouble starting right away. Yes, there were delays, as I said last time, but all the programs are now able to provide the funding to the organizations. So far, we have distributed $201 million through the roadmap.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you, Ms. Glover.

Mr. Gourde, you have the floor.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Minister, thank you for being here with us today. It is always nice to welcome you.

My thanks also go to Mr. Lussier and Mr. Gauthier for being here to share their expertise if necessary.

Minister, TV5 is the French-language television channel that reaches the largest number of francophones in the world. TV5 currently broadcasts in almost 200 countries and territories, reaching 220 million households.

How does the Department of Canadian Heritage support TV5? Furthermore, how does TV5 enable our artists and creators to have access to a larger audience?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB

Thank you for the question.

The Department for Canadian Heritage supports TV5MONDE and TV5 Québec Canada through some quite substantial funding, $13 million a year to be precise. In addition, TV5 Québec Canada has access to the Canada Media Fund, allowing it to produce Canadian content, which is obviously important for us.

Seeing Canadians on TV, in our living rooms and in other places, outside our borders, is an asset, I think. We will continue to work with them because the benefits are immeasurable if we think about how we can make a difference in the world with our Canadian identity and Canadian stories.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

Minister, the new media are undeniably changing the arts and culture ecosystem.

In your view, what should our artists do to reach out to as many people as possible to have a larger audience? What would be in it for them?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB

Let me stress again that I love talking about artists. We know that artists, arts, culture and our country's heritage affect all of us because they are part of our identity. In addition, our economy benefits from those industries. Those three industries inject almost $50 billion into the economy. That's wonderful. In addition, they employ 640,000 people. We will therefore continue to support them.

However, for that to have an impact outside our borders, we need help. The Canada Council has a program to help them in that sense. As you know, we give about $181 million every year to the Canada Council.

Our government is very proud of that. Actually, Canada is the only country of the G7 that did not reduce the direct assistance to artists during the recession. That is a credit to our Prime Minister, who is the only government leader to be able to say that.

In addition, when I travel, I see Canadian books, Canadian films and our artists who have a presence abroad. We are all proud of them.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

You have announced a $110 million investment in renovating the National Arts Centre for Canada's 150th anniversary. What impact will this redevelopment have on our artists?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB

It is a major investment, but it is necessary. Clearly, this centre welcomes our artists throughout the year. These artists deserve to have a centre that gives them an opportunity to showcase their work and demonstrate their talents. This amount of $110 million will really help the centre welcome the artists, welcome visitors and welcome those who want to participate in arts and culture. This is crucial for the 150th anniversary celebrations because we are expecting to receive visitors from everywhere here in Ottawa. Such an investment in the National Arts Centre was one of the highlights in the amounts earmarked by the Department of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you, Mr. Gourde.

We will continue with Ms. St-Denis.