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Evidence of meeting #57 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rcmp.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #57 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rcmp.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Supt Pierre Lavoie
To anybody.
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Conservative
John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB
Even if your name was in it, or your name was not in it.
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Supt Pierre Lavoie
Regardless.
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Conservative
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Supt Pierre Lavoie
It came from the Ottawa Police. It was classified as secret on the document itself.
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Conservative
John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB
So the Ottawa Police say it's secret and that's the same as the federal government saying it's secret.
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Supt Pierre Lavoie
In my position I have to err on the side of caution.
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Conservative
John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB
Well, we're not getting too far, Mr. Chairman. We're going around here in circles.
Let's go back to the contracting. I think that was where we actually started off weeks ago.
Mr. Gauvin, you said, one time that you were here, that you removed Mr. Crupi's contracting authority.
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D/Commr Paul Gauvin
That is true.
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Conservative
John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB
What was the limit of Mr. Crupi's contracting authority?
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D/Commr Paul Gauvin
I don't know right off hand. I can send that to you.
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Conservative
John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB
Do you have any idea? Was it $500,000, $1 million, $100,000, $50,000, $45,000?
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D/Commr Paul Gauvin
I think he probably had full authority. I don't know, maybe $50,000.
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Conservative
John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB
He could maybe do contracts up to $50,000. Okay.
You were on the advisory and management committee looking after the pension of the NCPC. Am I correct?
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D/Commr Paul Gauvin
No. I was a member of the pension advisory committee.
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Conservative
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D/Commr Paul Gauvin
Yes.
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Conservative
John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB
With the KPMG audit, he was handing out contracts for a total of several million dollars, which according to the audit were questionable or worse. Did none of this come to your attention before it happened?
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D/Commr Paul Gauvin
We had regular meetings. The project was going very well. We had no idea that the contracting was going as it was.
We heard last week that there was a lot of collusion between the RCMP and Consulting and Audit Canada. That's where the control broke down.
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Conservative
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D/Commr Paul Gauvin
Yes. But I think, sir, if you read some of the other comments given here, including what was given by Shahid Minto last week, when there is collusion, it is very difficult to find.
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Conservative
John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB
Okay.
Why are we just finding out about this $37,000 being the GST component?
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D/Commr Paul Gauvin
Why are you finding out? It was always there, sir. I was as surprised as anybody was last week or the week before, when Mr. Frizzell said something about the missing $36,000. It amazed me. It really is accounting 101, lesson one. When you receive cash you have to decide where you're going to credit it. We credit it in the appropriate accounts--pension and a return of GST. You're an accountant, and you would know that.
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Conservative
John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB
That's a simple transaction. We'll agree on that one.