Evidence of meeting #43 for Veterans Affairs in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was board.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Bernard Butler  Director General, Policy Division, Department of Veterans Affairs
Rick Christopher  Director, Disability Programs and Income Support, Department of Veterans Affairs
John D. Larlee  Chair, Veterans Review and Appeal Board
Dale Sharkey  Director General, Veterans Review and Appeal Board
Kathleen Vent  Acting Director, Legal Services, Veterans Review and Appeal Board

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

I call the meeting to order.

Good afternoon, everybody.

As you know, we're looking at VRAB issues, and various witnesses are starting off today. Also, I appreciate the point that staff are going to restrict their time to 45 minutes. We're then going to go for an hour with the witnesses from VRAB. Then we're going to take 15 minutes at the very end to talk about future business.

First, may I say welcome back, Bernard Butler, and hello, Rick Christopher? I think you know the drill by now. We look forward to an opening session. Then we do a round of questioning. Because of the 45-minute restriction, some of the staff probably be squeezed a little right at the end.

Do we have a point of order?

3:30 p.m.

NDP

Peter Stoffer NDP Sackville—Eastern Shore, NS

Yes, I have just a point of clarification. We anticipated a Mr. John Larlee coming before us today. I understand that he was on the list. Is he for later on...?

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

That's the next round.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

Peter Stoffer NDP Sackville—Eastern Shore, NS

Thank you.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

That's why I say the staff is going to have 45 minutes, and then we're going to be a full hour with VRAB.

Go ahead, Mr. Butler, please.

3:30 p.m.

Bernard Butler Director General, Policy Division, Department of Veterans Affairs

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

It's a pleasure to be here again in front of this committee. My name is Bernard Butler. I am the director general for policy in the policy, communications, and commemoration branch at Veterans Affairs Canada.

I am joined here today by my colleague, Rick Christopher. Rick is the director of program management in the service delivery branch of Veterans Affairs.

Our objective is to support your review of the processes and activities of the Veterans Review and Appeal Board, including any recommendations that could improve the current appeal process.

Essentially, our objective here today is to support your review of the processes and activities of the Veterans Review and Appeal Board and to assist you in any recommendations that could improve the current appeal process.

Today, we, Veterans Affairs Canada, will provide you a technical briefing on the disability benefit application, decision-making, and redress processes that take place with regard to a disability benefit application at the departmental level. We will endeavour to help the committee better understand the department's processes and at which point a departmental decision could make its way to the Veterans Review and Appeal Board for review.

Mr. Christopher will start with a high-level overview of the department's disability benefits adjudication process, and he will conclude with the departmental review process and how that links with the Veterans Review and Appeal Board, including the role of the Bureau of Pensions Advocates in the redress process.

After that, we'll be happy to answer any questions you may have.

I'll now turn to my colleague Rick.

3:30 p.m.

Rick Christopher Director, Disability Programs and Income Support, Department of Veterans Affairs

Thank you, Bernard, Mr. Chair, and committee members.

As Bernard said, my name is Rick Christopher. I'm the director of program management at Veterans Affairs Canada, or VAC. My role is to oversee management of the department's disability benefits programs.

Today I'm going to describe for the committee the process that a disability benefit application goes through. I'm going to talk about the support systems in place at each stage of the process, as well as the legislated authorities the department uses as a basis for decision making. I'm going to speak about our own redress mechanisms, including some of the statistics, and finish off at a point where the disability benefit decision could potentially make its way before the Veterans Review and Appeal Board.

I'm going to start with a brief description of the disability benefit application process. When a veteran, serving member, or RCMP member believes that they have a service-related disability, they must first submit a formal application to the department. This application can be found online, at VAC offices, or any of the 600 Service Canada locations across the country.

VAC's authority to provide disability benefits is found in the Pension Act and the Canadian Forces Members and Veterans Re-establishment and Compensation Act, commonly referred to as the new Veterans Charter.

There are two criteria that a veteran, Canadian Forces member, or RCMP member must meet in order to receive a disability benefit, which are essentially that they suffer from a disability and that the disability be related to their service. Evidence that an applicant meets these two criteria is often a combination of medical documentation, military service records, and testimonials from colleagues, commanding officers, or others.

Support is available through the department's team of disability benefit officers who work in area offices across the country. These are individuals who work one-on-one with the applicant to ensure that his or her claim is as complete as possible before it is submitted. This can include a gathering of service records from DND and health records from health care providers.

I'd also be remiss if I didn't note that an applicant can get help with completing the application from the Royal Canadian Legion or other veterans' organizations. Service Canada can also review application forms to ensure that they are completed appropriately before they are forwarded to Veterans Affairs for adjudication.

The next step, once an application is completed and submitted, is to assign it to one of our 46 trained disability adjudicators.

These adjudicators assess the information against a predetermined set of criteria laid out within authorizing legislation to determine whether the individual is entitled to disability benefits. These decisions are based on the merits of the case and the weight of the evidence. However, in the absence of compelling evidence to the contrary, the benefit of the doubt always flows in favour of the applicant.

The benefit of the doubt is applied when there is an equal amount of supporting and non-supporting evidence. This means that in those cases, the decision is made in favour of the veteran.

Once entitlement is established, an assessment is made as to the extent of the disability, based on the degree to which the condition impacts health and quality of life. Assessments are made according to the table of disabilities. It's one of a suite of tools that ensure effective and consistent decision-making. With entitlement and eligibility guidelines and the table of disabilities, the adjudicator is provided with a well-defined evidence-based system with which to make decisions.

Once the assessment is completed, a monthly or lump sum payment is processed.

Decisions are communicated to veterans in writing. Our decision letters have already improved—15 of our high-volume disability benefits letters have been redesigned, reworded in plain language, and are already being used. That will benefit approximately 19,000 clients this year. We continue to improve our efforts in terms of plain language by cutting red tape and reducing complexity.

I will now speak about redress measures.

As I mentioned earlier, both favourable and unfavourable decisions are communicated by letter. The letter outlines the reasons for decision, redress rights, possible next steps and the support available for exercising these rights. Veterans who are dissatisfied with a decision of the department have two options available to them.

One of those options is a departmental review. When a departmental review is requested, a new adjudicator is assigned to the case to ensure a fresh set of eyes and to avoid any bias in the process.

Departmental reviews can be triggered in two ways. Either an error in fact or law is found, or there is new evidence to be considered. The departmental review can be requested by the applicant or be initiated by the department itself.

The second option is that the applicant may wish to forgo the departmental review process and proceed directly to the Veterans Review and Appeal Board. In these cases the final decision-making authority is permanently removed from the department. This means that in the event of an unfavourable decision at the VRAB level, the individual may not re-enter the departmental review process, as the department would no longer hold jurisdictional authority.

Leading up to the review or appeal by the VRAB, the department provides access to legal advice from an advocate in our Bureau of Pensions Advocates. The Bureau of Pensions Advocates is a unique nationwide organization of lawyers within Veterans Affairs Canada. The bureau provides free legal help for veterans who are not satisfied with the decisions about their claims for disability benefits. All advocates at the BPA are experienced in disability benefit matters. They are considered specialists in the area of claims for disability benefits. The solicitor-client privilege relationship between the veteran and the advocate ensures privacy is fully protected.

The bureau is very active in outreach programs that provide information and education to stakeholders. The BPA represents between 90% and 95% of veterans who appear before the Veterans Review and Appeal Board. The remainder choose to represent themselves, acquire private counsel, or seek representation from the Royal Canadian Legion or others.

That concludes the portion leading up to the point where an appeal or review before the VRAB would start.

I'm going to read a few statistics into the record.

In 2011-12, total expenditures for disability pensions and awards were $2.05 billion. Annually, we process more than 20,000 first applications for disability benefits. VAC has a service standard for first disability benefit applications being processed within 16 weeks 80% of the time. We are currently standing at 83%. I'm also pleased to advise that in fiscal year 2011-12, 73% of total applications reviewed were assessed as favourable and a payment schedule was initiated. The turnaround service standard for departmental reviews is 12 weeks 80% of the time. Last fiscal year, there were 2,213 departmental reviews conducted, 81% of which were completed within the 12-week window.

We're continuing to work to improve processing times and programs while cutting red tape and reducing program and policy complexity. I understand that my colleague, Maureen Sinnott, will be appearing later this week, and she'll speak to you about some of those.

I'll stop there, as I understand that Mr. Larlee and his associates from the Veterans Review and Appeal Board will be called upon shortly to provide their own briefing.

This concludes my briefing. Bernard and I are open to any questions that you might have.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

Thank you very much.

We will go to the NDP first. Mr. Chicoine, I understand you're the lead-off. You have five minutes.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Sylvain Chicoine NDP Châteauguay—Saint-Constant, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would also really like to thank our witnesses for joining us today.

I have some questions about the adjudicators who are retained. You said during your presentation that the adjudicators who represent the board were well-trained. What kind of training do those people receive?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Disability Programs and Income Support, Department of Veterans Affairs

Rick Christopher

Are you asking about the adjudicators of the Veterans Review and Appeal Board or about the adjudicators who make first decisions?

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Sylvain Chicoine NDP Châteauguay—Saint-Constant, QC

I am talking about the adjudicators who work for the court of first instance.

3:40 p.m.

Director, Disability Programs and Income Support, Department of Veterans Affairs

Rick Christopher

Thank you. So you are talking about adjudicators who make the first decision. They are nurses. The requirements have been changed, and those adjudicators must have a nursing background. They have bachelor's degrees in sociology or in another health-related field. They are trained for 6 to 12 months. A supervisor ensures the quality of each decision.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Sylvain Chicoine NDP Châteauguay—Saint-Constant, QC

Thank you.

Do you train the 46 adjudicators who deal with issues pertaining to disability benefits?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Disability Programs and Income Support, Department of Veterans Affairs

Rick Christopher

Yes, they are trained by the department.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Sylvain Chicoine NDP Châteauguay—Saint-Constant, QC

They are trained. What kind of training do you provide them with?

3:40 p.m.

Director, Disability Programs and Income Support, Department of Veterans Affairs

Rick Christopher

We provide them with in-class training. The training also includes a practical component, with a supervisor reviewing each decision.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Sylvain Chicoine NDP Châteauguay—Saint-Constant, QC

What kind of an examination do those people have to pass as part of your process for selecting adjudicators? You said you use 46 adjudicators for decisions on benefits. What kind of qualities do those people possess in general?

3:45 p.m.

Director, Disability Programs and Income Support, Department of Veterans Affairs

Rick Christopher

Many of those people are nurses who come from the provincial system. We also have people with experience in health care, including occupational therapists. To become public servants, individuals usually have to pass examinations and go through an interview.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Sylvain Chicoine NDP Châteauguay—Saint-Constant, QC

What is the usual length of their appointment?

3:45 p.m.

Director, Disability Programs and Income Support, Department of Veterans Affairs

Rick Christopher

The benefits adjudicators are employed on an indeterminate basis; they are not in the same category as VRAB members.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Sylvain Chicoine NDP Châteauguay—Saint-Constant, QC

A number of cases require a judicial review process. Usually, veterans who are unhappy with the decision receive help when their case is handled by the administrative tribunal, but they receive no assistance when their case is handled by the Federal Court.

Would there be a way to provide them with the services of a lawyer? If only a small portion of decisions was being referred to the board, I would say it was a matter of fishing expeditions, but the number of such cases is very high.

What do you think about that?

3:45 p.m.

Director, Disability Programs and Income Support, Department of Veterans Affairs

Rick Christopher

As a public servant, I have no personal opinion about that. However, the approval rate is fairly high in the case of first applications for disability benefits. It's about 73%.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Sylvain Chicoine NDP Châteauguay—Saint-Constant, QC

My colleagues may want to ask a question.

How much time do I have left, Mr. Chair?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Greg Kerr

One minute.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Sylvain Chicoine NDP Châteauguay—Saint-Constant, QC

It's okay, Mr. Chair. I have no further questions.