Evidence of meeting #82 for Veterans Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was process.
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12:50 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg
I understand, Mr. Desilets. I also understand you because you aren't on Zoom. You are here. Call me next time; let me know.
Mr. May—
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Bloc
Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC
Mr. Chair, what can be done about procedure? With all due respect, I unfortunately challenge your decision. I request a vote so we can decide the matter.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg
I would ask you to wait a moment while I consult the clerk. So I will suspend.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg
We're back.
Members of the committee, Mr. Desilets' comment on my decision, which he challenges, is ruled a dilatory motion.
I am asking the members if they uphold my decision to yield the floor to Mr. May. If that is not the case, we will have to go to a vote.
Do we—
12:50 p.m.
Liberal
Lisa Hepfner Liberal Hamilton Mountain, ON
I have a point of order, Chair.
My point of order is that I'm not sure you can challenge the chair on a point of order. Is that what you can do? We're on a point of order here and a point of order there, and suddenly we're voting on something.
It's very confusing to me.
12:50 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg
I'm sorry.
Mr. Desilets has the floor first, and he asked for something. Mr. May had the floor at that time. After his intervention, Mr. May said he had a point of order. I said to wait, because I had to discuss that with the table. The decision was that we can go back, so we have to vote on that.
If you do not agree that Mr. May takes the floor, we have to vote, because you challenged the chair.
12:50 p.m.
Liberal
Bryan May Liberal Cambridge, ON
I recognize that we have to go right to a vote, but I'm a little confused as to what a “yea” vote versus a “nay” vote—
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg
We'll put the question on the floor and it will be really clear.
The question is this: Are we going to continue with the intervention from Mr. May, or should we go back and vote?
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Conservative
Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB
On a point of order, Mr. Chair, to be clear, my understanding is—
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Conservative
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Conservative
Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB
I want to be clear. This is what I understand we're voting on.
You have ruled that Mr. May should have the floor. Mr. Desilets has challenged that decision.
We are now having a vote on whether we uphold the decision of the chair. Is that correct?
12:50 p.m.
Conservative
Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB
A yes vote means that we uphold your decision to have Mr. May take the floor. A no vote means that we don't uphold the decision and that Mr. Desilets would take the floor.
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Some hon. members
Agreed.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg
Okay. First of all, is there unanimous consent for the chair to give the floor to Mr. May?
I don't have unanimous consent, so I'm going to ask the clerk to take the vote on that, please.
(Ruling of the chair overturned: nays 6; yeas 5)
12:55 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg
Thank you.
As the decision of the chair is overturned, I yield the floor to Mr. Desilets.
12:55 p.m.
Bloc
Luc Desilets Bloc Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC
As announced, I now move an amendment to the Conservatives' motion. I believe the clerk and members have received it, and I will now read it:
That the motion be amended by adding the following after paragraph b): "c) And that the Department of Veterans Affairs Canada and the Department of Canadian Heritage provide the official report of the jury established for the selection of the firm responsible for the design of the National Monument to Canada’s Mission in Afghanistan.
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Liberal