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Crucial Fact

  • His favourite word was colleague.

Last in Parliament May 2004, as Canadian Alliance MP for Dewdney—Alouette (B.C.)

Won his last election, in 2000, with 58% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Supply June 8th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, it is quite shocking to listen to a minister of this government who sits in cabinet utter such responses to a motion brought forward in a democratic way for discussion on the floor of this House.

The hon. minister says that she is offended that the opposition would bring this motion forward for debate. I wonder what her vision of democracy is all about when she is offended by free and open debate in this place. It is rather shocking. I think it tells quite a bit about this government, its weaknesses and its inability to want to face questions and debate in an open way.

I would like to ask her a quick question. She mentioned family. She mentioned all sorts of things in her rambling discourse. I want to ask her about a comment made by her own colleague, the government House leader in a letter he wrote to a constituent in 1994.

The government House leader stated “I object to any suggestion that would have homosexual couples treated the same way as heterosexual couples. I do not believe homosexual couples should be treated as families. My wife Mary Ann and I do not claim we are homosexual. Why should homosexuals pretend they form a family”. This came quite shockingly from the government House leader.

I would like to know if she agrees with her colleague in cabinet.

The Senate June 8th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, there are seven vacancies in the upper house, one in Nova Scotia, one in Newfoundland, one in Manitoba and four in Ontario. The Prime Minister's phone must be ringing off the wall with Liberal hacks trying to collect political on IOUs.

There must be plethora of good Liberals who have organized a dinner, delivered a brochure or, most important, cut a cheque to the party who have not received a supreme court seat or an appointment to the IRB or the parole board.

The Prime Minister has surpassed Brian Mulroney's levels of patronage, travel and of course closure. But there is one that Mr. Mulroney did that the Prime Minister has not done and that is appoint Canada's first and only elected senator, Reformer Stan Waters.

The Prime Minister is renowned for ignoring the will of Canadians. He has the opportunity to follow through on his promise to reform the Senate or he can continue to appoint Liberal hacks. Whatever the Prime Minister decides there is one thing for certain. His announcement will take place after the House rises because the Prime Minister cannot take the heat because he will not elect those seats.

Supply June 8th, 1998

Madam Speaker, as I think about the Rosenberg decision I am reminded of a personal situation. My mother was widowed just over two years ago and her sister was just recently widowed. My mother and my aunt could be living together in the very near future. I am wondering if the government would extend the same reading to that situation as it would to the definition of same sex benefits.

Supply June 8th, 1998

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for his question.

The matter we are debating today goes to the court ruling where four words were read into the decision in the Ontario Court of Appeal and that is redefining the term spouse. That is what we are debating. We are debating the courts' and the judiciary's acts of doing that in their decisions, where they read into a decision something that is not there and something that is not in the context of that particular decision. That is what we are talking about today. That is the point.

We are talking about the judiciary, their role and what has happened in this case. It is quite clear as with many other cases that the Ontario Court of Appeal in this case has gone ahead and read something into law that was not previously there. It has set a precedent. We all know in this place and we are being very naive if we do not admit that decisions made and rendered by justices have an impact on further decisions down the road.

What we are looking at here is a view to the future. In this decision and others like it in all different areas of legislation, if we in this place say that it is fine for the courts to go ahead and to redefine what elected parliamentarians in this place were sent to do, then what is the reason for us to be here?

The reason for us to be here is to debate issues like this one and many other important issues. These debates should take place on the floor of the House of Commons so that we who have been elected by our constituents to represent their views are able to argue strongly in many ways the points we believe reflect the will of our constituents.

If the government abrogates its responsibility and allows the courts to go ahead and redefine law, then it is not showing leadership. The point of the motion today is that we need in this place to have open debates about very important topics. If we fail to do that, then we miss the point of why we are here.

We must openly debate issues of great importance without any fear of being labelled as others have done in the House today. We must openly and honestly debate these issues and bring them to the forefront.

Supply June 8th, 1998

Madam Speaker, it is an honour to take part in this very important debate today in the House.

Over the past several years our court system, the judiciary, has gone far beyond its mandate of interpreting the law reflected through the intent of parliament to reading in meanings never intended by the elected representatives of the nation. This process which has slowly evolved has put the creation of law through precedent setting opinions into the hands of our judiciary.

Canadians are saying that they do not want a few unelected individuals to make these decisions. There is no counterbalance in the current system to rectify the problem when the government, which is intended to reflect the will of the majority, refuses to take responsibility.

I would argue that the Liberal government has abrogated its responsibility in this case and in many others concerning the idea of judicial activism, whether it be the Feeney case in 1997, the Delgamuukw decision of 1997, the Eldridge decision, the Halm decision, the Singh decision, the Prosper decision or the Heywood decision. We could go on and on.

The motion being presented today is about the idea of judicial activism and that the courts determine the law of the nation through the precedent setting decisions they make. That is what we are debating today. We are asking whether this is something that should be happening.

If this is something that we clearly endorse, we have to ask ourselves why in the world we are here as elected representatives of the nation. If the courts are simply to determine what law is in the nation, why in the world are we here?

We are here, I would argue, to debate openly and freely the merits of arguments and decisions that are made. We as elected representatives of the nation have been sent here to debate issues just like this one to speak our minds, to speak the wills of our constituents in this place and not to be afraid to do so.

I turn my attention to a very important court decision mentioned in the motion. I have no fear in referring to the Rosenberg decision. That decision or the government's lack of action in response to the decision illustrates that the government has once again failed to demonstrate leadership. It is simply allowing the courts to go ahead and read words into a decision which could have a profound impact on many other pieces of federal legislation, without lifting a finger, without even mentioning it, hoping that this case and others like it will just go away as well as all kinds of different areas and different topics.

The justice minister as our attorney general has until June 22 to appeal the decision. To date she has offered no indication that she is willing to do so. In fact she stated to my colleague in the House, the hon. member for Yorkton—Melville, on May 27:

In the Rosenberg case the judiciary was doing what it was constitutionally obligated to do, interpret and apply the Law.

I would argue that the justice minister is sorely missing the point in the fact that she cannot see that words read into that decision will have a profound impact on federal legislation. We are burying our heads in the sand if we say in this place that the decisions founded by a court do not have any precedent in later decisions. That is simply not what history has taught us in this place. History has taught us that decisions made in our courts set a precedent for future decisions and affect the law.

I would also like to state I am sharing my time with my colleague, which I neglected to say at the beginning of my speech.

The judiciary is making the law, reinterpreting it based on its philosophical framework. There is no timely action from the justice minister which we heard in relation to the Young Offenders Act.

Members of the opposition ask if the minister will continue to do nothing, to sleepwalk and to demonstrate her weakness on serious issues. It is quite telling that the predecessor to the Minister of Justice, the current Minister of Health, tried to reassure parliamentarians that the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal was not “going to get into the business of redefining spouse or family or any of that”. In referring to Commissioner Max Yalden he stated:

He has spoken about benefits, but he has said he's not going to get into redefining these terms legally.

All should be fine then. In fact we should not have any concerns at all.

In 1996 in Canada v. Moore, again a case centring on same sex benefits, the government tried to solve the problem by using the term partner which would have rectified the situation. That would have been a solution to the situation. In June 1997 the commission instructed Treasury Board that the term partner was not good enough and ordered Treasury Board to refer to same sex partners as spouses.

The commission that the former justice minister said had no intention of redefining the term spouse completely contradicted him. In fact we have to look back at his words to see them for what they were, just empty words with no action from the Minister of Justice. Talk, debate or words can be empty if no action follows. In debate on Bill C-33 the former justice minister stated:

We should not rely upon the courts to make public policy in matters of this kind. That is up to the legislators, and we should have the courage to do it.

I ask the former justice minister if he might nudge his seatmate and get her to take some action on this case and many others.

Parliament has a responsibility to make the nation's laws as citizens give legislators that right when they vote them into office. Parliament has the unique role of debating the balance between rights and responsibilities in a democratic society and the courts should give them the opportunity to do so. The legislatures are subject to public scrutiny and the best place to have a debate matters of critical social importance is in the House of Commons.

Why the concern with regard to this case and to others? What impact does this decision have for the future? If the attorney general fails to act then the Rosenberg decision will likely set a precedent which will have a domino effect on over 40 pieces of legislation, all of which will strike at the heart of the definition of spouse and the definition of marriage in Canadian law.

Marriage is the fundamental cornerstone of any society. A supreme court justice in the Egan decision in 1995 stated:

Marriage has from time immemorial been firmly grounded in our legal tradition, one that is itself a reflection of longstanding philosophical and religious traditions. But its ultimate raison d'être transcends all of these and is firmly anchored in the biological and social realities that heterosexual couples have the unique ability to procreate, that most children are the product of these relationships, and that they are generally cared for and nurtured by those who live in that relationship.

I would continue by saying that Canadians have to wonder what are the motivation and intent of the government. I remember no mention of redefining marriage in the Liberals' red book platform in last year's election or in the Speech from the Throne.

We are wondering what it is that the government is doing. Will it simply allow this decision to go ahead without taking any action, in fact allowing a precedent to be set upon which further decisions of the courts will be founded?

Failing to appeal the Rosenberg case simply restates this weak government's lack of direction, lack of responsibility and disregard for marriage and family as cornerstones of Canadian society. The Minister of Justice and the Prime Minister have a window of opportunity to act.

The Prime Minister has scoffed at a recent resolution raised by over 1,200 Reform Party members at an assembly to conduct a family impact analysis to federal legislation. Again I state that actions speak louder than words.

Official opposition members urge the government to act and to put the creation of law back into the hands of elected representatives. To do any less is a signal to Canadians that the government is failing once again.

Supply June 8th, 1998

Madam Speaker, I listened with interest to the end of my colleague's speech and I was quite shocked by the amount of rhetoric and the amount of comments that did not really having anything to do with the motion she presented.

I would like to ask her a simple question because the heart of this issue, the heart that we are debating here today, is whether members and Canadians believe that the judiciary should make law in this country. Should their decisions take precedence over what we the elected representatives of this country decide?

I ask the member whether she believes that the judiciary should lead and set the precedents or whether those topics should come to the floor of the House for open debate so people can have input and legislators elected by the people of Canada can discuss these matters in an open way.

Petitions June 3rd, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I have a second petition which calls upon parliament to impose a moratorium on Canadian participation in the MAI negotiation until a full public debate on the proposed treaty has taken place across the country so that all Canadians may have the opportunity to express their opinions and to decide on the advisability of proceeding with the multilateral agreement on investment.

Petitions June 3rd, 1998

Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to present this petition on behalf of my constituents. The petitioners call upon parliament to amend the Criminal Code of Canada to raise the age of consent for sexual activity between a young person and an adult from 14 years to 16 years.

Ted McCain June 2nd, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I rise in the House today to congratulate Mr. Ted McCain, a computer science teacher at Maple Ridge Secondary School in my riding of Dewdney—Alouette. He has been awarded a Certificate of Excellence from the Prime Minister's Awards for Teaching Excellence. Mr. McCain is one of five B.C. teachers to receive this award.

Mr. McCain is a leader in his field. He has been involved in advocating and implementing new technology curriculum in his school and in the province of British Columbia. Courses created by Mr. McCain have become models for technology education across the country.

Being a former teacher, I can appreciate the impact teachers have on our youth. Teachers have the responsibility to prepare their students for life. Mr. McCain obviously excels at this aspect of teaching.

Allowing our students to be competitive in technological fields will prove invaluable as we enter the 21st century. I know the students of Maple Ridge Secondary are fortunate to have Mr. McCain as a teacher.

Parks Canada Act June 2nd, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I listened with great interest to my colleague's speech and the examples which he gave about the parks in his riding and how this bill would affect the individuals within his riding.

I would ask if he might give us a little more detail about his support for the bill. I would also ask what his opinion is on the interventions made earlier concerning the subcontracting clause in terms of the requirement of all individuals having to speak French even if they are not directly involved in providing a service to individuals.