Crucial Fact

  • His favourite word was liberal.

Last in Parliament October 2000, as NDP MP for Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre (Saskatchewan)

Lost his last election, in 2000, with 42% of the vote.

Statements in the House

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannuation Act November 3rd, 1997

Mr. Speaker, the member misunderstood what I said. I said that the surplus of the public service pension plan is the property of the membership and that the surplus should be negotiated in terms of what its use and purpose will be. I did not say that they should just pay out. I said that some of the options are to reduce the contributions or to increase the benefits of the pension holders.

With respect to the Canada pension plan we have seen a different sort of pension plan. We have basically two types of pension plans. One is a defined contribution plan, which is a percentage type plan whereby employees over a period of time get a percentage of their salary as a pension. The other form is a defined contribution plan where the employee and the employer make contributions to a plan. It is like the purchase of an RRSP. Whatever is earned, the principal and so on, is used to purchase an annuity, either a single annuity or a joint spousal annuity.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannuation Act November 3rd, 1997

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the question from the member for Crowfoot.

The Liberals cannot stand the success of other organizations or programs they are not directly involved with. It is a very dangerous precedent.

The Liberal government is interfering with a pension system established through the collective bargaining process, I might add, to provide a pension for those who work in the public service, the RCMP or other federal government agencies. It is a very bad precedent and a very bad omen that the Liberals are taking the surplus out of this pension plan.

When the actuaries established the plan through the collective bargaining process they said that x number of dollars would be deducted from the employees' salaries, matched by the federal government, and invested so that they have a secure plan. Actuaries can only predict; they cannot tell precisely what the future will hold.

Obviously there is a surplus because of what happened in the economy, with investments, with the longevity of plan members and all other inputs necessary to establish the amount of money required to pay out the pensions. The point of all of this is that similarly it could provide for a shortfall in the long run because it cannot predict how the economy will operate.

I believe very strongly as a person who has spent a lot of time studying pensions in the country that we have to look at the surplus of a pension as being the property of those who contributed to the plan. If there is a long term surplus there should be some consideration. Some decisions should be made in a collective way between employees and employers as to what the surplus should be used for, whether it should be used for a reduction of contributions or improvement of benefits. I believe that is a very important point to be considered.

The Liberal government has made the decision, not through collective bargaining, to take out the surplus. It arbitrarily did it and did not report to the population of the country until it had already done it. By then it was too late. It is like closing the barn door after the cows have left. That is a very bad omen for the country.

I see the Liberal whip is very supportive of my presentation. I hope he will take this matter to the Minister of Finance, as I am sure he is quite supportive of what I am saying, and tell him that these surpluses should not be taken out of the pension funds because they rightfully belong to the employees.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannuation Act November 3rd, 1997

Madam Speaker, I am pleased to join with my colleague from Winnipeg in supporting Bill C-12, an act to amend the RCMP superannuation act.

Bill C-12 will amend the RCMP superannuation act to ensure that the RCMP members serving in special duty areas are automatically considered to be on duty 24 hours a day and therefore get complete benefit coverage. At present the act provides for coverage only during periods of scheduled shifts, which my colleague from Winnipeg referred to.

As all Canadians would appreciate, when a soldier or an RCMP officer serves outside Canada on peacekeeping missions they face all sorts of dangers not just during their duty period but when they are off duty as well. We have seen many horrific examples of that around the world over the last couple of decades, in particular in conflict zones or special duty zones as they are called.

A special duty area is a designation given to certain geographic areas where Canadian forces members would be exposed to hazardous conditions not normally associated with service in peacetime. Examples of special duty areas for the RCMP would be Haiti and Bosnia where RCMP members are currently serving on peacekeeping missions.

This legislation will make RCMP members who serve as peacekeepers eligible for the same health benefits as military personnel. The NDP believes it is the only fair thing to do to include RCMP who are serving in the same areas as armed forces personnel so that they are eligible for the same benefit coverage.

Madam Speaker, I represent a district called Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, which you are aware of. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police training centre is in the constituency, the depot as we call it in Regina. We have a number of recruits coming to be trained. We also have a number of families working at the academy, at the depot, who have served on peacekeeping missions from time to time. Many police families reside in my constituency as well. I know many of them personally and many of them are my neighbours.

I might add that the neighbourhood I live in is probably one of the safest neighbourhoods and safest constituencies in all of Canada because we have such a large force, not just RCMP members but Regina police association members as well, residing in the district. We are very confident because we feel the neighbourhood is very safe.

These RCMP officers who serve our country overseas do not just serve their country but their community with a great deal of strength, consistency and loyalty. Bill C-12 recognizes this type of service and sacrifice by members of the RCMP.

I have worked on a number of issues in House of Commons over the past four years that are important to the RCMP and to the Regina Police Association. As a result of my efforts on issues like gun control, the Young Offenders Act and dealing with young offenders stealing a lot of autos in Regina, we have been able to make some strides with respect to making our community much safer overall in the city of Regina and the province of Saskatchewan. I have also been very supportive over the years of the collective bargaining process which the RCMP has sometimes been quite restricted in.

The bill reminds me of an old saying. It addresses one of the issues of an old saying I heard a while back that generals who neglect their soldiers in the battlefield will find it very difficult to find recruits when the next battle is fought. Bill C-12 is a very small step toward looking after RCMP members who serve our country in special duty areas or, as some people refer to them on occasion, in peacekeeping battlefields. It recognizes that they should be included and have the same benefits as those in the military.

I am very pleased to join with my colleagues in the NDP to support the bill. However I want to raise one issue which saw the light of day as recently as last week with respect to some of the pension issues, in particular the RCMP pension issue. The Solicitor General of Canada indicated that any additional cost which might be incurred by the change in Bill C-12 would be assumed within existing RCMP budgets.

The federal government used another $2.6 billion from its employee pension fund this year to help lower the deficit despite a storm of controversy over the legality of the manoeuvre. Last year the government took $2.4 billion, sparking outrage from not just unions but also pensioners who have banded together to take the government to court to stop the practice. The RCMP is involved with that court action.

I am very concerned about this latest action by the government. It is basically taking a pension fund and using it not for the purpose for which it was established, to provide pensions, whether disability pensions or retirement pensions, to those who contribute over their years of service whether they are in the Public Service of Canada or in specific forces like the RCMP. I think Canadians are quite outraged and unhappy with this latest government move.

My sense is if the court challenge fails—and I hope it does not; I hope they are successful—a number of politicians in the House of Commons will take the issue to the floor of the House time after time until the government deals with the deficit in a manageable, fair way.

Taking pension money from people who have not yet retired and those who are retired is an unacceptable practice in any country although in some banana republics this is the course of action. Canada has a pretty good reputation around the world but it worries me that it is becoming one of a banana republic because of some of the actions of the Liberal government opposite that were supported previously by the Mulroney government.

We have to address the issue. If the solicitor general is serious about supporting Bill C-12, maybe he could talk to his colleague, the Minister of Finance, and tell him to keep his damn fingers out of the pension till. It is about time that happened.

I want to go on record as saying that we support Bill C-12. We do not support the type of practices the Liberal government has instituted with respect to taking pension funds out of the public service pension superannuation for its own crass political purposes.

I assure the House that in the future we will be watching this issue very closely and taking it to the finance committee. We will be raising it with the Minister of Finance in the future to make sure he does not make those pensions unaffordable or jeopardize the plan. People who have contributed to these pension plans deserve them in their retirement.

Division No. 19 October 28th, 1997

Mr. Speaker, members of the New Democratic Party vote in favour of this motion.

Newfoundland School System October 28th, 1997

Mr. Speaker, NDP members present will vote yes on the amendment.

Customs Tariff October 28th, 1997

Mr. Speaker, NDP members present this evening will vote no on this motion.

Division No. 17 October 28th, 1997

Mr. Speaker, NDP members present this evening will vote no on this matter.

Canada Co-Operatives Act October 22nd, 1997

Mr. Speaker, I am very please to say a few words about Bill C-5.

It is quite fitting that we were speaking about co-ops. In the spirit of co-operation I express my appreciation to the Reform Party, the Bloc Quebecois and the Liberal Party for allowing me to speak first due to a prior commitment.

I also express my appreciation to the leader of the New Democratic Party for assigning me the critic areas of small business, western economic diversification and co-ops. All these areas are of great interest to me. I have been a business person and a member of the co-op and credit union movement for 27 or 28 years. That is a long time for a young person like me. Of course I joined the credit union and co-operative movement many years ago.

Bill C-5, an act respecting co-operatives, is the reincarnation of Bill C-91, tabled in March this year, which died on the order paper with the dissolution of parliament.

Its reintroduction this fall marks another accomplishment in a very active year for the co-op movement in Canada, one in which we celebrate the 10th anniversary of the Canadian Co-Operative Association founded by the former Co-operative College of Canada, which was very prominent in the province of Saskatchewan, and the Co-operative Union of Canada on September 24, 1987.

Also this spring in the Saskatchewan budget the NDP government of Roy Romanow announced significant new resources and a new focus on co-op economic development after some months of consultation and work with the co-op movement in Saskatchewan.

This summer in Vancouver the World Council of Credit Unions recognized the Canadian Co-operative Association for its outstanding work in assisting in the development of credit unions around the world.

As the minister stated, 14 million Canadians are members of a co-op, a credit union or a caisse populaire. Some 10,000 co-ops in Canada employ about 135,000 workers often in regions of the country or economic sectors that have been ignored by the traditional market economy.

Some producer and marketing co-operatives have been very successful. Some 17 of the top 500 revenue producing companies in Canada are registered as co-ops. In 1995, 617,000 people belonged to agricultural co-ops alone. They are very significant players in the economy.

These 617,000 people in agricultural co-ops generated $16 billion in sales and handled 40% of total farm cash receipts in the areas of grains, oilseeds, dairy products, eggs and poultry, livestock, fruits and vegetables.

Co-ops also make a contribution to their communities inspired by unique needs identified in the far corners of our country. Many members will acknowledge, as we do in Saskatchewan, that the co-op sector is one of the three major engines which drive our economy: the private sector, the public sector and the co-op sector.

We have always used the co-op sector in western Canada and other parts of the country as an instrument to achieve economic objectives where the private and the public sectors have failed or were not interested in pursuing those objectives in those areas.

I am very proud that we are dealing with the issue today and providing the co-ops in many ways with the modern instruments and utensils they require to meet the modern challenges facing us.

I raise some examples of co-ops. The Co-op Radio in Restigouche provides radio service in French for Acadians and local employment for northern New Brunswick. A co-op named Imagine That, an artists' marketing co-op in Duncan, B.C., helps local artisans sell their work to the growing tourist markets on Vancouver Island.

Arctic co-operatives work to meet the challenges of a remote economy and marketplace that exist north of the 60th parallel. The Mountain Equipment Co-op, started by a group of university students, has grown into a successful and popular consumer retail co-op operating in four of the country's largest cities.

Prairie Dog Alternative News in my home town of Regina is providing an alternative voice to the mainstream media. Its ownership is growing more concentrated by the year. We are very pleased to see that alternative prosper in Regina, Saskatchewan.

One of the two provinces where co-ops have been most at home is my home province of Saskatchewan. The other is Quebec. The Saskatchewan Wheat Pool founded by farmers in 1924 has grown into one of the largest grain handlers and agricultural co-ops in the entire world with annual sales in 1996 of $3 billion and gross revenues in the order of $4.24 billion, up from $2.8 billion just two years ago.

The Saskatchewan Wheat Pool is the largest co-op in Canada, followed by Federated Co-ops in Saskatoon. The Saskatchewan Wheat Pool is also the biggest corporation by sales in the province of Saskatchewan and the 35th largest company by revenue in the entire country.

As I said, the extent to which the co-op sector contributes to economic development in our country may be unappreciated by the general population. As one of the three engines it is a very key sector.

The contribution of the co-op sector has always been well understood in my home province of Saskatchewan and has certainly been appreciated by the New Democratic Party and our predecessor, the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation.

In particular I extend our congratulations on the occasion of National Co-op Week held just last week and International Credit Union Day held on October 16.

Bill C-5 represents quite an accomplishment for the co-op sector in Canada and puts it on the leading edge internationally. In 1996 the Canadian Co-operative Association, in co-operation with the conseil canadien de la coopération, presented a model bill to the federal government intended to update federal legislation regulating co-ops.

The Canadian Co-operative Associations Act, 1970 is thus receiving its first overhaul in almost 30 years and the resulting statute will in all likelihood serve as a model for coming changes in provincial statutory regimes for the co-op sector in years to come.

The two main thrusts of the bill are to offer some flexible financial alternatives to co-operatives so they can continue to operate successfully in the modern competitive global marketplace and at the same time to provide work to strengthen the cornerstone of the co-op sector's vitality, which of course is the rights of its individual members.

The federal statute applies to non-financial co-ops operating in more than one province. Only 51 of the 7,300 non-financial co-ops in Canada are affected, but some of them are the largest in the country. It modernizes the regulatory framework for incorporation, structure and organization of co-ops and permits co-ops to issue investment equity for the first time in order to tap new resources and new sources of capital. It also incorporates the revamped 1995 International Co-operative Alliance statement of co-operative principles into an updated definition of what makes an organization a co-op under the act.

Finally, a number of requirements have been modified to modernize the corporate statute law for co-operatives that are federally registered, and this complies with the Corporations Act in many respects.

As spokesperson for co-ops in the NDP I met with a number of officials with respect to this issue, Industry Canada, the co-operative secretariat at agriculture Canada. I have had consultations with the Canadian Co-operative Association, with prairie pools, with Federated Co-ops of Saskatchewan, with the president of the Saskatchewan Wheat Pool, Leroy Larson, representatives of the Alberta Wheat Pool and the Sherwood Co-op, among many others.

However, some sectors of the co-op movement, in particular in Atlantic Canada and some of the smaller co-ops in Saskatchewan, are not in full support of this bill. The differences exist between the smaller co-ops that support the traditional service to members co-op model and the larger co-ops that support the business model of co-ops.

When the bill is referred to committee, which we support, these issues have to be vetted, discussed and heard by the committee members. The NDP requests of the minister that the committee invite witnesses from both viewpoints so that we can understand more fully the differences they have with respect to this bill. No doubt we will hear more detailed views at that time.

I take this opportunity to acknowledge the vitality and maturity of the co-op sector of our economy and to recognize the active contribution co-op employees and members make to our communities.

On behalf of the New Democratic Party caucus I am pleased to offer support for referring this bill to committee for further review.

Canada Marine Act October 21st, 1997

Mr. Speaker, members of the New Democratic Party present this evening will vote no on this motion.

Division No. 13 October 21st, 1997

Mr. Speaker, New Democratic Party members present in the House this evening will vote yes on this motion.