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  • His favourite word was budget.

Last in Parliament April 1997, as Liberal MP for St. Paul's (Ontario)

Won his last election, in 1993, with 54% of the vote.

Statements in the House

National Unity October 26th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, recently I attended a meeting of the mayors from the Toronto region. At this meeting, 30 mayors and five regional chairmen unanimously passed a resolution expressing their desire for a united Canada that includes Quebec.

The resolution reads as follows: "WHEREAS, the mayors of the greater Toronto region have recognized and approved, by the very fact of their meeting, the strength and benefits that unity provides; WHEREAS the unity of Canada and its people enhances the strength of and the benefits accruing to each of our regions; WHEREAS approximately four million residents of this region have, together with the people of Quebec, built this great country of ours; THEREFORE it is resolved that the mayors of the greater Toronto region, on behalf of its residents, express their desire to support the unity of a Canada that includes Quebec".

As the Prime Minister said last night, this is not only a battle for the future of Quebec, it is a question about the future of Canada.

Canada-United States Tax Convention Act, 1984 October 18th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, it is an unusual day in the House when all parties support a bill. The member for Calgary Centre pointed that out at the beginning and then spoke for almost 16 minutes even though he felt it was a waste of time to talk about the bill, since we all agreed. What is more interesting is that he spent most of that time complimenting a member for the governing party, the member for Gander-Grand Falls. It is indeed an unusual day in the House.

I also want to speak to Bill S-9 and some of the concerns raised with respect to the bill, an act to amend the Canada-U.S. Tax Convention Act.

First I want to say to my colleagues that there is nothing sinister in the bill and no surprises for those who follow these issues. This was pointed out earlier. This matter was the subject of publicity earlier. There was a press release in April 1994 that announced that the protocol had been signed. A copy of the protocol was available. The fact that negotiations were taking place has been known for several years. It has certainly been known among people who practise taxation law and those who are concerned about cross border investment. There are no surprises and nothing particularly sinister. The bill follows the OECD model tax convention treaty. Provisions of that tax convention model have been followed by as many as 25 countries.

There has been some suggestion that the bill amounts to a huge tax cut for corporations. I want to speak to that misconception. What the bill really does is facilitate cross border investment. As has been said by others, tax conventions are all about reciprocity. What we are gaining through this tax convention and other tax conventions is enhanced investment in our country. We have to reciprocate for countries that are interested in that kind of relationship with us.

What we have here in the changes in withholding tax is a great incentive for Canadians to invest in the United States and likewise for Americans to invest in this country. Certainly at a time when we are concerned about jobs and growth, that is a very good outcome and a worthwhile goal.

There has been talk, again another confusion, about impact on the treasury, cost to Canadians. We should also focus on offsetting investment in tax revenues that come to Canada from that investment. That is what this treaty will accomplish.

There has also been comment about estate taxes and some sort of opportunity that is being provided to the rich of this country. What is being addressed in the estate tax provisions of the convention is the matter of fair treatment. Canadians will be out from under the burden of double taxation and unfair treatment that has existed to date in the United States for those who have owned property there. That will be cleared up.

There has also been much discussion about the provisions of the convention dealing with the tax treatment of contributions to universities outside Canada. Some have been so confused as to think that this is something that has appeared in our law and is a function of this convention suddenly. It has been a matter of legislation in this country since the 1960s and has been in this convention since the 1980s. What is the result? Certainly the result is that Canadians may make contributions to U.S. universities, but I want to come back to the reciprocity issue and make the following point.

Looking into my own former university, McGill, we discover that over the years countless Americans have attended McGill University. Approximately 1,000 are there right now if we add full time and part time students together.

Here is what is most interesting of all. Let us look at the amount of contributions from McGill graduates in the U.S. and Americans to McGill University over the last five years. In 1990, $2,452,000. In 1991, over $3.7 million. In 1992, almost $2 million. These are U.S. figures. In 1993, $3 million Canadian. In 1994, the astronomical amount of $7 million Canadian. In 1995 it is $3,440,000 to date from American contributors to a great Canadian university. Those who question the wisdom of encouraging Canadians to make contributions to U.S. schools should ask themselves what the impact might be on contributions to Canadian schools.

I am pleased to support the bill and pleased that it has the support of all parties of the House. It is a sensible convention. It is updated from time to time, as it has been most recently by these changes. I look forward to having it passed by the House.

I would like to add a word on another point. The hon. member for Joliette used the debate on Bill S-9 to discuss the effects of separation. In response, I would like to say something very clearly.

First, if Quebec needs such a convention, it already has one as a province of Canada. Second, it seems to me that the hon. member does not have a strong grasp of international law, but this is always the way with the separatists. When they get up in the morning, they say: I want something, therefore I shall have it. But the world does not work this way, and he knows it.

International law is well written and very clear: if Quebec separates from Canada, Canada will remain the contracting state, not Quebec.

Employment Equity Act October 6th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, thank you. I do want to allow my colleague that opportunity.

I thank the hon. member for his intervention and for reminding the House that the official opposition does support the bill. We appreciate that support. Obviously they recognize, as we do, that there are improvements that can be made in the way in which we do business in this country.

He raises some good points to the effect that the public service should be mindful of the laudable merits of this statute as it begins to apply to them.

Employment Equity Act October 6th, 1995

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to speak to this bill and to have the attention of all members of Parliament.

So, I want to take a few minutes to discuss the provisions of this bill and explain how they will not only benefit disadvantaged people in the workplace, but also employers.

This legislation reflects two basic values which Canadians really care about: fairness and equality. It also takes into account the need to promote business development, in order to create jobs and opportunities which will ensure a good future for all Canadians, whoever they are and whatever their situation.

This bill seeks to achieve a critical balance between competitiveness and compassion which is so vital for assuring opportunities for Canadians.

While we in government are seeking to enhance fairness and opportunities for Canadians, some opposition members either do not see the need for such measures or feel that no improvements are required to existing legislation. In my opinion they simply do not get it.

They have never had the experience. They do not understand what it is to apply for a job, to have all of the qualifications and to somehow suspect that their colour, their gender, their disability or their orientation precludes them from a fair chance at that job.

I do not necessarily ascribe malevolence to interviewers or people who do the hiring. It is human nature. We have all felt it ourselves. When we face candidates before us we tend to like those who are just like us better than we like everybody else. We feel more comfortable. We feel more at home. We can see ourselves working with them.

We have only to look at the membership of the third party to see that they have the same problem and perhaps need a plan to deal with it within their own ranks.

An interesting study was done recently with respect to hiring. Employers were asked to consider applicants on the basis of their applications only. There were no personal interviews. It was interesting to see employers hire people without regard to colour, gender or disability and only find out later their colour, gender or disability and then say: "I do not care. I will make whatever arrangements are necessary. Whether it is a ramp for a wheelchair, or whatever it is, I want that candidate".

When faced with a person in front of them, by human nature or otherwise, the tendency is, after years and years of good intentions, for employers not to move fast enough. They need some assistance in seeing a way through to doing what they know is in the interests of their businesses which is to have a diversified workforce.

Much progress has been made under current employment legislation and the current act but much more remains to be done. Women are still concentrated in lower paid clerical, sales and service jobs. Maybe that is the place where some hon. members want to see them stay but that is not where this member or this party wishes to them stay.

In the case of aboriginal people, the percentage in the workforce under the act currently is 1.4 per cent compared to 3 per cent in the Canadian population. It is roughly the case with respect to persons with disabilities. They are roughly 6.5 per cent of the overall population but a far lower percentage in the workforce. That is wrong. It denies Canadian businesses the work and dedication of devoted and capable people who can be accommodated and should be received and welcomed as should people who are otherwise among the designated groups.

However, those people still find themselves on the bottom rung of the economic and social ladder. It is not just their problem, which is I what I suspect hon. members from the third party think. It is a problem for all of us since restricting the participation of such individuals in the economic life of our country damages the competitiveness of Canadian businesses. Businesses themselves understand that. They endorse many of these proposals. They have been doing a number of things on their own. They have been working with us to develop programs to give effect to the guiding principles encompassed in this legislation. It is good for business and it is good for Canada.

Those businesses realize that recruiting, promoting and retaining people who are representative of the Canadian population helps them provide better and more responsive service since diverse experience and perspectives are a bonus not a burden.

It is useful to note that many business representatives, not usually identified as left wing radicals, appeared before the standing committee in support of the bill. They told us the bill would help them develop a more diverse workforce and give them a competitive edge over less diversified competitors. Diversification in business just is not about one's product line. It is about one's employees as well.

Contrary to the accusations of some members, this bill is not some piece of wild-eyed radicalism, totally divorced from the realities of economic life and experience. Rather, it is a moderate document which seeks to promote equal opportunity in the workplace without imposing an onerous regulatory environment on business which we recognize is already hard pressed in an increasingly global, competitive marketplace.

For instance, while the act seeks to encourage employers to address under-representation by members of designated groups, it does not require them to hire unqualified people, to create new positions, to create undue hardship or to contradict the merit principle. What we are anxious to see is people hired on their merits regardless of their gender, their colour and other characteristics which have gotten in the way of people with equal merit getting an equal opportunity.

The impact of the bill will be limited since it will only involve those public and private sector organizations and enterprises covered by the Canada Labour Code; about 10 per cent of the workforce. It does not impose quotas or some draconian regime directed from Ottawa as some have suggested. Rather it seeks to help organizations and enterprises develop their own targets for themselves which will allow them to develop a more representative workforce.

To do this, the act will rely on self-identification by employees rather than forcing people to be singled out. There is every indication that such a system should be successful since employees have shown themselves increasingly willing to identify themselves for the purpose of this since the first act was passed in 1986.

In addition, enforcement of the act will not be a reign of terror as conjured up by members of the third party. There is no intention of hounding companies which, not yet fully in compliance with the targets they set, are sincerely trying to reach their goals. Our approach in such situations will be of helping, not harassing. We hope to encourage co-management of this program within enterprises. This means getting workers and management to work together in partnership to ensure the success of the program. While management will bear responsibility since it has the ultimate say in how it manages its affairs, there will be considerable opportunity for both sides to work together on the setting of targets, timetables and implementation strategies.

Success in the area of labour-management co-operation could well prove so rewarding that both parties might then decide to extend this collaboration to other areas of common concern, which would in turn benefit the enterprise as a whole.

Canadians are justly proud of the progress they have made in ensuring fairness and equal opportunity. While the Employment Equity Act of 1986 has led to a number of successes, much remains to be done. We in this party will not cease in our efforts to improve upon what we have done in the past. History does not stop. We gain

new experiences every day and we see ways in which we can implement our policies more effectively as time goes on.

We realize though that progress must not hinder the success of Canadian business, which is so vital for creating jobs and opportunities Canadians need. This act seeks to provide this vital balance and contains provisions that will benefit not only employees, particularly those traditionally disadvantaged, but employers as well. As such, it represents a win-win situation where everyone gains.

For this reason I will be supporting this legislation before the House and would encourage all members to do so.

Employment Equity Act October 6th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I will be splitting my time with the hon. member for Etobicoke-Lakeshore.

I am pleased to discuss this bill, which seeks to make the workplace fairer for all Canadians, particularly those who have traditionally been disadvantaged.

This is also an opportunity to reply to some very severe criticism made by Reform Party members in terms of this bill's probable impact on the Canadian business world.

I wish they would stay with us long enough to hear some of these responses so they do not come back uneducated. They asked a lot of questions. They want responses. I am going to reply to some of their concerns and it would be great if they were here to hear them.

This criticism has dire consequences, because it seeks to undermine the efforts made to ensure fair treatment of Canadian workers.

Petitions October 6th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36 I present a petition which calls on Parliament to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act to prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

I am pleased to present the petition on behalf of these constituents.

Committees Of The House October 6th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the 19th report of the Standing Committee on Finance concerning Bill C-90, the Excise Tax Act and Excise Act.

Agreement On Internal Trade Implementation Act June 19th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I want to clarify if the hon. member said that provincial politicians were special interests. That is the first point on which I would like him to elaborate.

Second, did I hear him correctly when he suggested that the federal government should impose a solution on the provinces with respect to interprovincial trade rather than negotiate a solution?

Petitions June 19th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I am also tabling six petitions signed by almost 1,800 Canadians calling on Parliament to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act to include sexual orientation as a prohibitive ground of discrimination.

Petitions June 19th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36 I have the pleasure of presenting to the House a series of petitions.

The first is a petition signed by 100 residents of Toronto calling on Parliament to make a firm commitment to supporting the Harbourfront Centre. I am sure they look forward to the government's answer.