Foreign Affairs committee  We all feel threatened. Yes, of course.

Foreign Affairs committee  You're right, and that's the dilemma we are facing. No political philosopher, or no political philosopher of any substance, would say that a constitution is also a document by which a people will commit suicide in the sense of allowing our liberal value of tolerance to go to the extent that we empower the intolerant to destroy our tolerant society.

Foreign Affairs committee  Well, the Supreme Court will have to decide whether those who are pushing for sharia enforcement and sharia compliance and acceptance of sharia law in Canada are going against the very values of the charter, and whether we accept this. That's for the Supreme Court to decide. For us as citizens—

Foreign Affairs committee  Yes, I have the faith in the Supreme Court that they will make their decision, and hopefully the right decision. We came very close to seeing sharia law being pushed in Ontario. I have faith in the liberal democratic culture, that we turned it around, we pushed it back. But we can only push it back right from the Supreme Court and the PMO, down to the members of Parliament and senators and our civil society, provided we stand together.

Foreign Affairs committee  Oh, what I meant are the institutions of government—

Foreign Affairs committee  Absolutely, but—

Foreign Affairs committee  There is no democracy within the Arab-Muslim world. The instances of democracy—

Foreign Affairs committee  Well then you're coming back to this side of the equation precisely. That's what our worry is. That's what's happening in Europe. The numbers are increasing. They are pushing their ideology. We ourselves are wavering upon who we are and what we represent. We are allowing them to push us.

Foreign Affairs committee  I tell it to my students in the following way. Christianity has a history of over 2,000 years, as we are in the 21st century. Jews have a history of 5,000 years. And Muslims have a history of 1,400 years. What that represents is that Christians have become adults. The Jews are past their middle age and sober and have gone through empires and defeats and seen it all.

Foreign Affairs committee  We do that by, first of all, stopping giving those imams Jubilee medals. I mean, I come from London, a city where we have two mosques. Given its population ratio, London has become infamous. We had youngsters travelling all the way to eastern Algeria. You all know the details.

Foreign Affairs committee  Here we are. Here I am.

Foreign Affairs committee  We can debate this issue about Turkey. Turkey is a divided country, and though the present regime of Erdogan is tending towards the direction that Mr. Fatah has described—and I agree with him—I think we should not lose sight of the fact that Turkey has a very large segment of secular Kemalist forces and that is an internal struggle that is going on.

Foreign Affairs committee  Yes. The money being raised from within and coming from outside is going into various activities within the community that showcase their social welfare in the broader sense. Behind that activity is the ideology preached from the pulpit or within the corporate body of the institution, whether it's the mosque institution or the mosque-related school institution.

Foreign Affairs committee  Very quickly, on the question of the RCMP and police forces across Canada, the public outreach program, in my opinion, is highly questionable and problematic. The public outreach program has been an outreach to the very groups that carry the virus of Islamism, that preach the ideology of Islamism.

Foreign Affairs committee  Well, if you're asking me about the events of 2003, I would say that it was a necessary thing. It was a necessary thing to get Saddam Hussein and the regime changed, as it was in Afghanistan, and it was done with the full understanding or the belief that once this dictator, this tyrant, was removed, the suffocating people of Iraq would begin to breathe once again and, with the support of western democracies, they would move forward.