Foreign Affairs committee  I have closed the SIRCO file. I am the one who said enough is enough, that we are going to put a stop to investigations and reports. I took a stand on that and so I put my job on the line. SIRCO is over and done with. The board of directors voted unanimously for that. The board's resolution is clear.

Foreign Affairs committee  What we want to do is move out of doing only grants. In the case of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, it was in fact discussed at length in the Deloitte report. We're not going to leave all grants apart, but we are still going to do some grants. You know, when you go to an international donor, you say, “I have core funding”.

Foreign Affairs committee  The wording of the mandate has two parts to it. Are you talking about SIRCO?

Foreign Affairs committee  You received that document. It was submitted to the committee. Essentially, it had to do with the dismissal of the three directors. What did SIRCO do? I am not justifying the company's actions. It took 20,000 emails and picked some of them which lawyers used in the process of dismissing the three directors.

Foreign Affairs committee  You asked me and I am going to tell you. They were asked to investigated the theft of computers. I personally left that with the police. It is not up to SIRCO to investigate the theft of computers; it is up to the police. The police found no suspects. They investigated the matter thoroughly.

Foreign Affairs committee  That's music to my ears and gives a specific case of what we can do easily. That's one of the new strategic objectives of our organization, to work in those types of projects. Until now, we have worked, essentially, on civil society, with civil society organizations. We should involve parliamentarians, train parliamentarians on how to do policies in countries where it's very difficult.

Foreign Affairs committee  Since January 20, the board of directors and I have closed the door to the past. I have put an end to the investigations and reports. I have done nothing more than report the facts as told to me by Mr. Sarrasin. I have just reported the facts. With that done, we have to build for the future.

Foreign Affairs committee  Maybe I can give you an example of what we just did in Egypt. It is interesting. We supported the training of bloggers, teaching them how to use and secure blogs and how to use that for promoting democracy and human rights in Egypt. This is quite useful. We need to want a more equilibrated approach to human rights and democracy.

Foreign Affairs committee  Everywhere we work we have to put more emphasis on the reinforcement of democratic institutions, to play a better role in increasing democracy. That is whether it is Parliament, political parties, civil society, or other institutions that have a role in democracy. Let me give you an example.

Foreign Affairs committee  I'll give you an example of what we can do. There are so many countries where parliamentarians and citizens are very far apart. There is a gap, a credibility gap. We can bring those countries' MPs together with their constituents. I've done that in the past in many countries of the world.

Foreign Affairs committee  And what I did, for me, I think it was my duty to say okay, I don't have to judge that; that's a serious matter and I'll bring that to the RCMP.

Foreign Affairs committee  He didn't.

Foreign Affairs committee  Yes, I know.

Foreign Affairs committee  —except they are going to give the information to the security service.

Foreign Affairs committee  There's no investigation on the other matters. There's no investigation.