Fisheries committee  Mr. Simms is opening.

Fisheries committee  But DFO does not promote the view that subsidies are a problem in the decline of any fishery in this country, which, in my opinion, if they did, would have a very negative effect. Just ask them. In essence, they are supporting the removal of the subsidy programs out of the red box, and by that, they're not indicating that subsidies are a problem.

Fisheries committee  Thank you very much, Mr. O'Neill.

Fisheries committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Welcome, gentlemen. I'm certainly pleased that my good friend Mr. Kamp keeps on top of my press releases. That's good. I don't recall saying there would be no possibility, but we did have witnesses before the committee who indicated that we're getting well down the road and that Canada has probably not been as strong at the negotiating table on these issues as it should have been.

Fisheries committee  Yes.

Fisheries committee  Obviously, then, gentlemen, you feel there is not a great problem with our subsidies. I have two questions. If there is no problem, why do all of the things that are so important to the inshore fishery end up in the red box? If I understand correctly, that box is hard to negotiate out of.

Fisheries committee  It isn't the waste from the plant.

Fisheries committee  Thank you very much.

Fisheries committee  Thank you very much. Welcome, Chief, and everybody else. It's certainly a major issue for your people. In following the conversation, I'd like to know, is it the water flow? I'd also like you to comment on the process of elimination of the problems. Is it the water flow or emissions from the plant, or is it the project increasing all the time with more emissions?

Fisheries committee  --employment insurance, gas tax cards.

Fisheries committee  In fact, it is already in the red box.

Fisheries committee  But, sir, that would include everything I indicated: small craft harbours repair, capital gains tax exemption--

Fisheries committee  Just to confirm, everything else that I've mentioned will also be in the red box.

Fisheries committee  So what does this cover? What do we do? What involvement do you feel we had to this point in order to let this type of thing happen? To me and to the people I represent this is not a problem--it's a disaster.

Fisheries committee  Yes.