Government Operations committee  Yes, there is. We see that. Last September, we had a meeting with the largest commercial spec developers in Canada, Giffels, and the pension funds as well, such as Great-West Life Assurance. They have a lot of interest in having their office buildings LEED certified. There is a building in Toronto, the SAS building, that was partly owner-occupied and partly leased.

Government Operations committee  Yes, they are.

Government Operations committee  Most buildings that go through certification with us do actually pass the test, but it depends on which stage they're registering the building. The average building period, probably from design to completion, is about two to three years. LEED Canada has only been around since December 2004.

Government Operations committee  It's at 6:30, so I still have a bit of time.

Government Operations committee  It's starting now, yes.

Government Operations committee  It's the city of Vancouver.

Government Operations committee  There's only one in Canada.

Government Operations committee  Because of the Vancouver charter, they can adopt things in the building code that other municipalities can't. They are actually in the process of greening their code. Originally they wanted to make LEED mandatory, and we advised them against it because LEED is not a code. It's a rating system, not a regulation.

Government Operations committee  They have a similar structure in terms of the five areas you addressed. I would say that Built Green Alberta is structured a little bit differently and may be a more appropriate structure for the industry targets, which are homebuilders who have maybe less tolerance in terms of the cost because most of them are fairly small and they're very closely linked to the market.

Government Operations committee  I'll explain the difference. In Built Green Alberta, the only thing that's verified is the energy performance of the building. It is linked to the EnerGuide 80 energy standard. That's a Canadian-made standard. That's the only one that's verified with what's called the blower door test; they test it on-site.

Government Operations committee  Yes, for homebuilders who build five homes per year, you have to adjust it to the level they can afford and would be willing to do.

Government Operations committee  Yes.

Government Operations committee  I think so. The local governments, just like the federal government, were among the first ones out of the gate. They saw that there was a great opportunity locally to demonstrate sustainability on the ground and that there are operating savings. It's a kind of win-win for them, and I think it's similar for the federal government as well.

Government Operations committee  Yes.

Government Operations committee  Basically, it is done through a request for proposal process, and the teams are selected based on the expertise they have in green design. They are made up sometimes out of two or three firms that have experts who have experience in green building design and construction. They are selected on very specific criteria.