Fisheries committee  In the respect that the fishermen end up with no money.

Fisheries committee  In what way could that happen?

Fisheries committee  I mean the exemption for fishermen.

Fisheries committee  How much is it ?

Fisheries committee  It's me.

Fisheries committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Welcome, indeed. It was a very interesting presentation. Mr. Sumaila, you have indicated that, if I heard you correctly, there is $34 billion in subsidies, and it is felt that there is $20 billion that goes to help with overfishing. Is that correct?

Fisheries committee  It's $20 billion of the $34 billion.

Fisheries committee  And you feel that this is the way the WTO has a chance to show its weight in the world and attempt to eliminate these subsidies and bring the fishery in line.

Fisheries committee  Thank you very much. My concern, and I think the fishermen's concern in this country, is the boxes, and in particular, the red box. In your opinion, you talk about even the gas tax.... Fishermen have tax curbs. They receive income support in employment insurance.

Fisheries committee  Would this type of thing be in the red box?

Fisheries committee  I'm interested in the ugly.

Fisheries committee  Okay, but would the capital gains tax exemption and all this play into the same role?

Fisheries committee  The small craft harbours repair, the $100 million that goes in every year--and everybody here at this table is looking for more money to be put into this program--would look to me like that's in the red box too. It could be considered a subsidy that is illegal according to the WTO, should we agree to it.

Fisheries committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I would like to make a motion. The clerk is checking with witnesses from Tuesday. Looking at the material today, I believe it will be pretty much exactly the same questions and answers, so I would make a motion that with the agreement of the witnesses who presented, Tuesday's in camera meeting would be public, not in camera.

Fisheries committee  Would they not support you? In order to help them, they also have to help you. That's what I'm getting at.