Transport committee  I am not a lawyer. I could not make that determination. I would say that--

Transport committee  Thank you. I think you are correct in pointing to the U.S. as the one who demands that information now. I think also that Canada has shown itself capable of negotiating well, both with the United States and with the EU, on PNR and other matters relating to aviation security. For example, the way that Canada checks its hold baggage is radically different from the U.S. standard, yet we still manage to maintain our independent way of checking our own bags, so there is clearly space within the aviation field to negotiate with the United States.

Transport committee  That's right. Air Canada and all travel agents make their reservations through global distribution systems such as Galileo or Sabre. When you access Expedia or other online travel sites, you're getting into that system. Those systems are housed, I'm going to say, in Colorado, but perhaps Mr.

Transport committee  But they would be getting the same information that they get under this legislation, and it would be done directly rather than indirectly. I think the argument you could make would be that this legislation automates the transfer of the data directly to the U.S., and so removes any number of legal or procedural obstacles that accessing the data through the GDS or through Sabre or Galileo would present, thus making that invasion of privacy much easier.

Transport committee  First of all, let me thank the committee for this hearing and for my invitation. I will make my presentation in English, but I can answer questions in French. At least, I hope so. I want to make two primary points about the current legislation before this committee. The first is that this act deals with two kinds of data and with the destinations of those data.

Transport committee  Thank you. First of all, the Ogdensburg agreement says to the United States, for example, that Canada will not be a launching place for attacks to the U.S. So there's a very real way in which our security is tied to our neighbour's in the same way. But Israel is subject to much more frequent suicide bombings, in particular, than Canada has ever been.

Transport committee  It could be, but I think the primary reason to do it is because it detects both metal and explosives better than the current system. You will not need fewer people for the sniffer technology than you need now for the body scanners.

Transport committee  I think the current threat is absolutely explosives. The 3-D scanners do a better job of isolating where, on the body, electronic devices are hidden, because they all need some kind of electronic trigger system. Now, if Mr. Sela has secret information that says that they can be spoofed, then....

Transport committee  Into a cellphone, into a car fob--absolutely.

Transport committee  Yes. I think the question of attention and rotation is interesting. There's a psychologist in Switzerland who argues precisely the opposite, that it takes 20 minutes for one to sort of warm up on the scanners in order to be able to detect things, precisely because it's difficult to detect on these images, including for the sit-down X-rays.

Transport committee  Oh, sorry; I think you're absolutely right that.... My apologies. Were you finished?

Transport committee  No, I do not.

Transport committee  Mr. Sela seems to have secret information about the spoofing of these that I don't have. It could be that I'm out of the loop.

Transport committee  There are three models for the trusted traveller system. The first is the simplifying passenger travel initiative, which is being run by IATA, the International Air Transport Association, which has connected technology companies, airports, and governments to provide essentially an express route between London and Hong Kong so that your travel credentials follow you through the airport.

Transport committee  I think you'll have to ask Mr. Sela about the Israeli procedure.