Foreign Affairs committee  Indeed. Ammunition production and the ramping up of that production are being discussed among all the allies. We are also putting in the effort to build up production, including of ammunition, in Ukraine. As you may be aware, the Czech Republic is taking on the leadership role to try to find whatever is possible and coordinate the efforts to supply ammunition.

Foreign Affairs committee  It depends on what type of vehicle. There are different types. This is more of a discussion on the precise model. We value the armoured vehicles supplied to Ukraine that have all been produced here in Canada. I recently visited the facilities where they are produced. We are really grateful to the Canadians who work in this facility and help get those vehicles to Ukraine.

Foreign Affairs committee  Thank you. Dear Chair and honourable members of the committee, thank you for this opportunity to brief you today. First of all, I would like to thank you, Chair, for your recent visit to Ukraine on February 24 with the U4U group of members of parliaments from many countries that support Ukraine.

National Defence committee  Yes. I think there is already co-operation. There's the NATO cybersecurity centre unit, where we are not only getting help but also sharing the experience, which is very important. Cybersecurity attacks are not the same. They don't have the same pattern. Of course, for us, sharing and increasing our own awareness together with the partners is crucially important.

National Defence committee  I would say that there are two stages of the program Unifier. One was before the full-scale invasion, when 30,000 Ukrainian troops were trained. All of them, when the war started, were ready. They had been trained, and that helped. That was one of the important milestones in helping our resistance within the very first days of Russia's full-scale invasion.

National Defence committee  It's very hard because, frankly, we are grateful for all of the strong support that Canada is providing to Ukraine, whether it's financial help, the $5 billion of loans that the Canadian government provided to us, the military, the diplomats or support with the sanctions. It's all important.

National Defence committee  Thank you. It's a very timely question, because even pre-war, Ukraine faced significant cyber-attacks. It included attacks on our critical infrastructure, electricity grid, banking sector, government institutions and so on. We managed to strengthen our digital infrastructure. When the invasion started, there was not one single day when our banking system was not working or when our government was not able to work.

National Defence committee  As you mentioned, we have today been under a cyber-attack. None of the customer data has been reported to be damaged and the attack has not been reported as being successful. Now the connection is steadily being restored, so there are no major losses. Except for a few hours without connection, it has not had any—

National Defence committee  I am not ready to comment on the data. I don't have any specific information. I can't comment on that today. Frankly, one of the things...because there was a lack of connection and Internet in Kyiv for over 10 hours today.

National Defence committee  Thank you, but I am not in a position to comment on the decisions of the Canadian government.

National Defence committee  I think I would have more comments when—not if, but when—Ukraine becomes a NATO member. Ukraine then would also be able, with one of the strongest militaries on the European continent, to support NATO security. For us, it's crucially important to maintain this military support and the training program that was launched back in 2015, the Unifier program, which has already trained over 37,000 Ukrainian troops.

National Defence committee  I'll give you the figure. One missile for the air defence system can cost from $500,000 to $4 million. One destroyed energy object can cost from $20 million plus. Investing and helping us with air defence helps us to not have tens and hundreds of millions of dollars in losses of critical infrastructure.

National Defence committee  Of course. Long-range missiles will help us to destroy Russian logistics and Russian military capabilities in the warehouses. Actually, one of the breakthroughs in the counteroffensive operation when we liberated Kherson was the usage of HIMARS and the ability for them to destroy the logistic chains.

National Defence committee  The long-range missiles are important for us.

National Defence committee  Thank you. It's really important. One, as I've told you, we are protecting the eastern flank of NATO. You mentioned the other situation, Russian troops near the Polish border. It seems as if it would mean that all of the NATO countries, instead of supporting the welfare of their citizens, would need to invest more in their military to defend themselves.