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Human Resources committee  That might be the sort of information that Immigration can provide to immigrants to assist them in finding the place where they most likely would find employment in their professional field. Whether they do that or not, I'm not sure.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  That same sort of argument is being made now by people who believe there should be a federal stock exchange. There is always a school of thought when difficulties arise between provinces in any given field that counsels avoiding all that and establishing one regulating authority at a federal level.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  As you know, Mr. Chairman, hypotheticals are hazardous, but shipping is a federal area of jurisdiction for legislation purposes, and that vessel in Canadian offshore waters and doing business within Canada's jurisdiction would be subject to federal regulation. If it washes up on the shore of this hypothetical province, the owner of the ship may find themselves in trouble with the provincial authorities for one reason or another, for damage to the beach or that sort of thing.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  The key word here is “agreement”. You'd have to negotiate the insertion of these clauses into that agreement, which means you would have to have the consent of the province to make those considerations part of the agreement.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  Yes and no. There are complications with it. Let's take my own field as a lawyer. Lawyers are provincially regulated. There is no federal bar that would approve my standing as a lawyer. The federal government hires lawyers, and they require the lawyers to be recognized and registered as lawyers in one of the provincial jurisdictions.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  Yes, I would. I think the option available to the federal government is to do as you suggest, exercising what you call moral suasion, that is, trying to convince the provincial authorities that it's in their interest as much as in the federal government's interest to assist these immigrants to gain the appropriate qualifications.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  That's correct.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  I am not in detail, no.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  “Even” might be one way of putting it. I think the program would ideally like to see one set of standards across the country, which by definition would be “even”. But that paragraph is dealing with the right under the Charter of Rights to be able to move to and live in any part of the country.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  It's the spending power. It's in effect the federal government using its control over the public purse at the federal level to assist the provinces, in this case in the field of education. I suppose the intent is to ensure the level of education, in terms of the institutions and the resources for education, are close to the same across the country, notwithstanding the different resources some provinces may have to support those institutions.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  The necessarily incidental concept applies to legislative powers. All that means to say is that the federal government can exercise legislative powers in a provincial area of jurisdiction where it is on a matter that is necessarily incidental to some area of jurisdiction they already have, like airlines or banks or whatever.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  Semantically, international would include Canada; foreign wouldn't include Canada. That's one distinction. The use of the word “international” is sometimes there when you want to talk about a plan that applies to a large number of countries, so it has acceptance at the international level, whereas the word “foreign” is more limited to those other than Canada; foreign countries are countries other than Canada.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  It's a pleasure to be here.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  It's a complicated matter, which I don't think will assist you in what you're doing here. You're talking about section 93, on education. It does go to the question of, historically, there being separate schools in Ontario—Catholic schools—and it provides that those rights will always survive.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh

Human Resources committee  With reference to this particular program, my understanding is that it's an attempt by the federal government to, as it were, facilitate the process: to help the provinces and territories find common ground regarding what accreditation you need to be a doctor or a mechanic, or whatever the area or the field might be.

October 18th, 2011Committee meeting

Rob Walsh