Public Accounts committee  Yes. That's including everyone.

Public Accounts committee  That's about it, yes.

Public Accounts committee  It's probably going to go to five.

Public Accounts committee  I just want to clarify an issue. We were kind of surprised when we saw the 10, and I talked to the Auditor General, who gave us some precision. That is actually a number, a figure, that was provided by our people, and those were the ones who had SMS as a designation on their card.

Transport committee  About eight.

Transport committee  When we set that target, we thought at the time we could probably meet that three-year cycle. We also tried not to decrease the amount of inspection we were doing. For instance, this year we're planning 10 audits for 10 different railways, which is about one-third of the industry.

Transport committee  According to the OAG, we completed 26%.

Transport committee  It's one quarter, yes.

Transport committee  We thought we could do them. At the time we believed we would be able to do all of that.

Transport committee  Usually it's a bit easier to take someone who has a rail background and make them a TDG inspector, because the apprenticeship to be a car inspector is about 8,000 hours, which is usually what you get with the rail industry. Marie-France's group will give them the training to be a TDG inspector.

Transport committee  What we've done in some of our regions is we have taken people who had the background to inspect cars and they were trained as TDG inspectors, so they could do both. So you would not have someone who would look at only the running gear of that particular car and then have someone who would never show up to look at the tank, or something like that—or the opposite, someone would look at the tank and not at the running gear.

Transport committee  Either by hot box detector dragging equipment or by an individual, and if they want to avoid that, it's 15 miles an hour.

Transport committee  We're going back to the early eighties. Those were called following the Mississauga accident. They called it the gateway concept. I would have to go back, but if I remember correctly, in municipalities with a population of between 10,000 and 50,000, as long as the train gets an inspection before it gets into that area, the train can go by at a track speed between 50 and 100.

Transport committee  No, no. CN has the largest system of wayside detection in North America.

Transport committee  Actually it was a recommendation in Stronger Ties. It was recommendation 34, to try to do something about it, but as Mr. McDonald pointed out, we did not have the jurisdiction—