Transport committee  None. In fact, if you look at the east coast, there's been a lot of tanker activity in the last number of years. If you look at Placentia Bay, and Quebec and Montreal and even the lakes, there's some tanker business. That's been going on for a long time and without incident. I might also say that in 2016 or 2017, the administrator of the ship-source oil pollution fund issued a report showing the number of oil spills in the last 10 years.

Transport committee  I'd agree with the first part of that.

Transport committee  Absolutely.

Transport committee  Sorry, in fact we did submit a paper just on that subject, so I'll get it to you.

Transport committee  Well, you know, it's interesting. If you had been with those same people five years ago, they would have been clamouring for change. But the APA appointed a new president, a fellow by the name Sean Griffiths, and he's cleaned things up pretty well. All of that is to say that the Grégoire report does not say to consolidate all the piloting across Canada.

Transport committee  When you say “cost”, what do you mean?

Transport committee  To build it offshore, it would be maybe $450 million, and in Canada it would be at least $800 million.

Transport committee  First of all, in the Arctic it's in the summer for resupply. For the St. Lawrence River, we're talking the end of November until the end of March. For the Great Lakes, of course, it's at opening, which is the end of March and at the end December. The season is pretty well from the end of November through the end of March.

Transport committee  Yes. I think the Coast Guard has been working on coming up with some ideas for the fleet, but there's never anything made public about it, so we don't get the feeling there's a commitment there to invest in the long term. We have ships there for which I think the average age is 38 years.

Transport committee  I think we have 12 or 13, but we have only a few medium-sized and heavy icebreakers right now—I think five or six. The number escapes me, sorry.

Transport committee  First of all, they are talking about building a polar icebreaker, which started at $700,000 or $1 million. It is now well over $1 billion, and it hasn't started to be built yet. To us, spending that huge amount of money on one vessel is.... I know that Canada wants to show sovereignty in the north, but having one ship, to me, doesn't really do the job.

Transport committee  That's a good question. I have that in my office. I would say that if we can replace our medium-sized.... It's not necessarily just numbers; it's the age of these vessels. We have to renew them. So we'd like to see the present medium-sized icebreakers and the large icebreakers—

Transport committee  We don't believe in competitive pilotage. We believe in a safe, efficient pilotage system. Mr. Grégoire's report does not make any recommendations to have competitive pilotage. I know that the pilots themselves do not like one of the recommendations, which is to allow the pilotage authorities that oversee all of these pilots the option of hiring entrepreneurial pilots, like those on the west coast or the river, or employee pilots, like those in the Atlantic or the Great Lakes.

Transport committee  I think the ports have data on cargo, tonnage, number of ships, and those kinds of statistics. Transport Canada used to.... Karen, did they used to—

Transport committee  Absolutely.