Fisheries committee  And some haven't been sold, John.

Fisheries committee  March and April, yes.

Fisheries committee  Only 15.

Fisheries committee  All of them.

Fisheries committee  No, no, some would be bands, but out of the original 28--I'm just guessing, John--it would be about eight or nine. But then there were some bands issued later, and they fished this year, particularly in the Prince Rupert area.

Fisheries committee  The problem with that, John, is that if some fishermen elect to go fishing--and they know what their chances are, because they know what quota is out there--they have to elect to go fishing by January 15, when their licence fees are due and payable. On January 15 they take a chance and say, “This is the quota that's going to be produced, and I'm going to take a chance and go fishing,” hoping the price will rise.

Fisheries committee  That being said, John, in October 2001 there was a report provided by Seabridge Strategies and Blewett & Associates, commissioned by DFO. That report specifically says that any expansion of the production should be brought about very cautiously because of the fragile market in Japan.

Fisheries committee  In 1997 and 1998. But it wasn't as though they were issued licenses, John. When I explained to this gentleman how roe-on-kelp was produced, I described to him one method, called the “closed pond” method. But there is a second method. When the herring spawn naturally, you take the logs, with no web in them, and put them into the same proximity where the herring are spawning.

Fisheries committee  An allocation, and a roe-on-kelp quota, yes.

Fisheries committee  Basically, 100 tonnes.

Fisheries committee  A percentage probably dies because of scaling and handling and whatever, but yes, ideally they all go back.

Fisheries committee  It's 35 tonnes.

Fisheries committee  If you put 100 tonnes in a pond, in the manner I described before, they spawn not just on the leaves you've strung; they spawn all over the web and everything else.

Fisheries committee  I think two, John.

Fisheries committee  To answer your question further, John, the courts in the Gladstone decision did not determine what was a fair, equitable transfer, or what was a fair commercial harvest, for Heiltsuk. DFO took it upon themselves to determine what that amount was.