Public Safety committee  A lot of our new programs right now are under development. We can have a cost breakdown on some of the ones that have started, but as I say, many of these areas are not yet fully developed. It takes a transition period, obviously, to close things down and start things new.

Public Safety committee  Well, the decision has been made and the continuation towards the advancement of the decision will continue. The reality for us, as I said before, is what we know in terms of economic realities of job availability, where we're moving this organization in terms of our transformation agenda.

Public Safety committee  I think we heard here today that we have very relevant information in terms of job availability, real jobs that are available in the labour market that unfortunately don't exist in agriculture today.

Public Safety committee  I think it's a very reasonable expectation. It's why we work very closely right now with the trades association to have our hours of apprenticeship marketable, transposable, so that the hours that are being learned inside the correctional institutions are hours that will count towards their certification in the future.

Public Safety committee  Yes. I mentioned that when you look at close to 70% of the intake of our inmate population that come to us with unstable work histories, part of our mandate is to provide programs that will help to keep them from re-offending. Employment that offers steady available income is without question supportive of reintegration.

Public Safety committee  This is where the community aspect really comes in. I mentioned a bit earlier, I believe, the example of Lac La Ronge. The idea of having work releases...this is where the community can really respond in terms of inmates in minimum security who are eligible for work release to go out and work on projects.

Public Safety committee  Exactly.

Public Safety committee  Yes. In fact, in one of the situations I can speak to in Ontario, one of the contracts we have that does give transposable skills or apprenticeship types of skills actually will call for the utilization of inmate labour in that particular process.

Public Safety committee  I don't have the authority to release that document.

Public Safety committee  As was communicated, 2,560 who went to the CORCAN employment centres obtained work in this particular field. I don't have it broken down for those who come from the farm, but the essence of this is that the availability of farm work is significantly lower than that in the construction trades.

Public Safety committee  The closure of the farms was as a result of a strategic review exercise that looked at effectiveness, efficiencies, in terms of--

Public Safety committee  The document? It's a strategic review document.

Public Safety committee  Strategic review documents are not accessible to the public.

Public Safety committee  I'd say every job an inmate--

Public Safety committee  An inmate does learn skills in every job, but at the end of that, availability for employment is stronger in certain areas than others.