Transport committee  We do not do traditional inspections, what we used to do. We do not do any of those anymore. Everything, including for companies that are non-SMS, is being done in accordance with SUR-001, which speaks solely to SMS.

Transport committee  I have difficulty speaking for the minister in that respect, but—

Transport committee  What I would like to point out, though, is that in a functioning safety management system, if I receive a report from nine out of 10 employees that I have a problem in a specific area of my operations, it would behoove me to do something about it. It would behoove me to study the report, ask questions about it and do something with this information, be it to address the issue or, which is entirely acceptable, do nothing.

Transport committee  There were two surveys, and one of them lasted seven years. Their results were very similar, except for the results being even more negative in the second one. We widened the scope of the second survey in order to get the members of the UCTE to participate as well. The important thing to note is that when inspectors, who are at the front lines of inspections, tell you that the system is problematic, you should listen to them.

Transport committee  Yes, exactly.

Transport committee  Thank you. The following are the results that are expected. The company that doesn't fix its errors by the next audit will be found deficient. More enforcement action will be required. TC thereby documents a record of non-compliance and builds a legal case to suspend their certificate.

Transport committee  The Canadian Federal Pilots Association is not opposed to SMS. We have great concerns about Transport Canada's SMS, which has become the sole layer of safety in Canada. By way of introduction, I've been a pilot for 40 years. The bulk of my experience was with the Canadian military, where I served for 23 years, instructing on jets and patrolling Canada's ocean coastline.

Transport committee  I will begin by saying that I will do my presentation in English, but that I can then answer any questions in French. Thank you for inviting me to participate in this important study. I know the mandate given to this committee flows from the tragic events of Lac-Mégantic last summer.

Transport committee  Yes, but then there goes the 10 minutes, and the important stuff is at the end.

Transport committee  I hear you.

Transport committee  No. I did not prepare to address that subject.

Transport committee  I'm not aware of Transport Canada doing anything in that respect.

Transport committee  As I said, I'm not aware of whether or not Transport Canada took issue or addressed that issue.

Transport committee  Thank you for the grilling.

Transport committee  I don't have that with me. I'll see if can--