Human Resources committee  Yes. We're part of the Washington accord, which is an agreement that recognizes the education level. We also have full mobility agreements with Hong Kong, Australia, Ireland, and France, which is a bit of a hybrid agreement: we recognize their education and they recognize our licence, simply because they don't have an actual licensing process there.

Human Resources committee  I can't answer that definitively. I can answer it anecdotally only, and that is that we still hear from municipalities and provincial governments that they are the training grounds for the consultants and that they continue to lose engineers to the consulting firms.

Human Resources committee  We don't have information on that. Our constituent members gather information on salaries, but I don't know that they specify one or the other.

Human Resources committee  I actually do look at the salary reports, certainly for Ontario, because it's where I'm working and it's of interest to me personally. The salaries have gradually increased over the last 10 years. There hasn't been a particular stagnation in salaries for engineers based on the studies they've done.

Human Resources committee  We've worked over the last 10 years with HRSDC, with CIC, and DFAIT, actually, on all of our initiatives for what we called “from consideration to integration”, which was being better able to process, essentially, foreign-trained people into the profession.

Human Resources committee  Yes, it's been great.

Human Resources committee  Sorry, I missed what you said.

Human Resources committee  Oh, last spring, yes....

Human Resources committee  Yes.

Human Resources committee  Yes, and I'm happy I can answer that one with a firm yes. We accredit all of the undergraduate engineering degree programs in Canada. One of the things that most of the universities are moving towards are co-op programs. In these, universities actively work with industry to place their students for four-month, eight-month, or full-year terms.

Human Resources committee  We actually have success stories on our website, which are available to have a look at. Just before Christmas, I was at a Professional Engineers Ontario function, and a fellow came up to me and gave me his card. He said, “I came here as an immigrant. I got through the licensing program with no problem”—he was a structural engineer—“and I now own my own business.

Human Resources committee  Absolutely.

Human Resources committee  We're actually doing a few things with that. We're focusing on K to 12 outreach a little bit. Our constituent associations, our members, are getting out into the schools. We support national engineering month. National engineering month is really focused on getting out into the grade schools and the high schools and promoting engineering.

Human Resources committee  Well, we've done updates on an annual basis since we first did the survey—

Human Resources committee  It was first completed in 2009; it was first published in 2009. So we've done two years of updating and going around and checking. We're getting very similar feedback, results on the next go-around, which to me is the validation of the first go-around.