Natural Resources committee  Exactly.

Natural Resources committee  The way it works in the Yukon is that the Yukon Water Board publishes your application. Comments are made and come in from everywhere. The comments that come from the Department of Fisheries are generally followed pretty vigorously by the water board. Even though they don't really have an obligation to do it, they do it.

Natural Resources committee  Yes, I think so. Glen talked about the threshold as a camp of four or five people for a summer. When you get into the requirements, you have to have a medic, you have to have this, and you have to have that. There's a built-in group of people you have to have before you can even start—first-aid people, whatever.

Natural Resources committee  I think that's the most important thing of all. When the diamond mines went through their processing, one made it through without anything but promises. Speaking of BHP, they were probably the most community-minded mine in the central Arctic. But then Diavik came along, and they had to put up a $180 million bond.

Natural Resources committee  If you're asking me, I understand that the regulations in British Columbia, which used to be terribly onerous, are now substantially less so than they are in the Yukon. The Yukon has to go through the Indian and Northern Affairs Yukon Environmental and Socio-economic Assessment Board, or YESAB, process, which involves the first nations as well as the local non-first nations.

Natural Resources committee  That's the only one, which I just spoke of. The regulation is part of it, but it isn't just the one-stop shopping. It's multiple-stop shopping, and then you go through the whole works only to have something like this happen. I worked under a water licence for 12 years and somebody decided to change the circumstances of everything I did.

Natural Resources committee  Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm Brad Gemmer. I started Gem Steel back in the early 1980s and actually have been in business since the 1970s. I know I don't look that old, but it's there anyway. I started working in the Arctic in the early 1980s—about 1980-81—with Echo Bay's Lupin Mine, for which I did most of the plate steel work and all the big orange tanks that people use as...I don't know what you call that.