Transport committee  Getting it shipped safely is by far our biggest concern.

Transport committee  Yes.

Transport committee  That's correct. We also ship crude oil outbound to refineries.

Transport committee  No, it's done in conjunction with the railroads.

Transport committee  Sure. In the example I discussed of Burlington Northern railroad, we agreed to ship our chlorine with them over a slightly longer route than the normal shortest route possible. The reason we agreed to do that was that it allowed the railway to avoid high-threat urban areas, which is the U.S. description of large cities, and also it allowed them to route our traffic over sections of their track that were already....

Transport committee  It's the situation where they have proper traffic control on their lines, as opposed to having dark territory. Those are some small examples. Then there would be other issues that the railway would take into account such as grade, condition of the track, that kind of thing. We agreed to pay them on the basis of a longer haul to facilitate the safe movement of a product.

Transport committee  I wouldn't say routinely. From a unilateral perspective, we certainly look at where our traffic moves in every instance, in every single origin-destination pair, and we evaluate whether we think it's the safest possible route.

Transport committee  In the example of Toronto, we don't ship that far, and I don't want to talk about where we do ship. We don't ship much chlorine in Canada, to be honest with you. The vast majority of our chlorine goes to the U.S. By nature of the railway network, there are not many options for us to ship via CN or CP and avoid certain residential or urban areas.

Transport committee  Merci. Bonjour. My name is Marty Cove. I'm the manager of logistics for Canexus Corporation. We're a medium-sized chemical manufacturer headquartered in Calgary, and we have plants in B.C., Manitoba, and Quebec. We produce chlorine, hydrochloric acid, caustic soda, and sodium chlorate.