Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  At this point, do the members have the draft of the Library of Parliament document? It may not be circulated. Is that it?

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  Ms. Mortensen will proceed through that, but in terms of questions and what not, it may be that when we're on a certain article it might be the best time for members to ask their questions rather than waiting until the end. It's up to you, of course.

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  Ms. Mortensen is going to proceed with going through the code, based on the Library of Parliament researchers' report.

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  Mr. Chair, I can assure you that we'll put this in writing, if the committee would like to have this presentation in writing.

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  Do we have the document? Are you referring to the report presented to the committee a year ago? I think it is in part 4.

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  Mr. Chair, there are some problems with the code. We haven't come to that yet.

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  If I remember correctly, it has to do with the fact that subsections 41.1 to 41.5 of the act would allow courts to settle problems encountered by members with regard to their trusts. In our opinion, it is not good to give the courts any power to intervene in matters related to trusts.

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  Which part are you interested in?

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  I have part 4 right here.

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  Yes, but is there some part of part 4 that you are specifically interested in?

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  A moment ago, I suggested that the four or five sections that deal with members and not with ministers should be included in the code, and not in the act. As I said, including the sections in the act creates a problem. It enables courts to deal with issues concerning members of Parliament.

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  Are you at subsection 41.3(4)?

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  Just now as you're speaking, Mr. Goodyear, I've asked Ms. Mortensen to give me a copy of the code. Is there a provision in the code that you have in mind that indicates--

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  First, Mr. Chairman, the fact that the provision is in the code is good enough for me regarding privilege, because that's where it should be. No, I'm not satisfied with respect to those provisions of Bill C-2, which I mentioned, because I'm saying that the privileges of members of the House are diminished by those various sections, and most pertain to recusal and to those members of Parliament who are ministers or parliamentary secretaries.

Subcommittee on Disclosure Forms under the Conflict of Interest Code committee  It's really the difference between executive and legislative.