Transport committee  I would.

Transport committee  I would argue that they have if not a greater track record....

Transport committee  Sure.

Transport committee  Absolutely.

Transport committee  Exactly.

Transport committee  Absolutely.

Transport committee  Absolutely. We welcome free and open competition.

Transport committee  Absolutely. I would never say no.

Transport committee  No.

Transport committee  I have a list in my submission. There are many cities in Ontario. It's also agency specific. Metrolinx used to be a closed shop. Now it appears to be opening up. TTC, of course, is still a closed shop. There are many, not just municipalities or levels of government, but also agencies.

Transport committee  I will.

Transport committee  Our companies don't collude in wage prices, like others.

Transport committee  A lot of our members pay well above the union rate. A lot of the cost associated with closed shops actually has nothing to do with wage rates. It's increased cost that had to do with paying into an endowment fund, a sports and entertainment fund, a hunting fund, a social justice fund, a political action fund—none of which goes to the worker.

Transport committee  No, I understand your point. I mean it would be one thing if you could make the case that our employees are paid a lot less, below minimum wage, are somewhat unsafe, or whatever—none of which can be claimed. I can only speak for companies that are Merit members. As I said, they have full health and dental benefits, all the same benefits that closed shops have.

Transport committee  Absolutely. That's why I said best quality, lowest bid. If the ventilation system needs a higher grade of aluminum which is more expensive, that's built into the specific bid requirement. If you're doing Parliament Hill renovations, you don't want to put up drywall. You probably want to have good quality stone, so you write that into the bid requirement.