Environment committee  For Ontario, we can. We don't follow all of the provinces in the same detail, but earlier this year Ms. de Leon put in a submission to Ontario's proposal specifically on end-of-life vehicles. You can speak to that, Fe.

Environment committee  We did look at the other jurisdictions, specifically at the European Union and Japan, both of which are also big vehicle manufacturing jurisdictions. In general, we found that most countries that have large vehicle manufacturing industries do have legislation specifically governing end-of-life vehicles and the rules around how that should work safely, except for the U.S. and Canada, interestingly.

Environment committee  We had quite a few recommendations in the report. We will provide it. We did specifically talk about recommending a law similar to the European Union end-of-life vehicle directive. In addition, as Fe mentioned, it's a big part of the approach the federal government can take under risk management decisions made on those components that are deemed toxic under CEPA.

Environment committee  I don't have an update for you on those specific regulations. Earlier you were asking about the preparedness of domestic landfill and waste programs to take the CFL light bulbs. I can speak specifically to the Ontario situation. There is a combination of take-back programs through retailers, working in part through stewardship programs that are mandated by the province.

Environment committee  No, what I was trying to communicate is that it is not a black and white question. There are many kinds of energy from waste that we do support. What we don't support is incineration of domestic garbage. Some of the technologies that my friends have been describing are things we would support.

Environment committee  The potential for diverting the materials for reuse and recycling and for depollution is in the hundreds of thousands of tonnes per year. Our research did divide that up across the types of materials. I won't belabour you with the statistics right now, but I will just say that while there is not a bad amount of metal recycling, the potential is still much greater.

Environment committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for inviting CELA to appear before you today. As I think many of you know, the Canadian Environmental Law Association is a 43-year-old, not-for-profit environmental organization, formed to use law to advance environmental protection and to advocate for systemic environmental law reform.

Natural Resources committee  The points I would add would be the ones I made about making sure the principles are consistent between the oil and gas side and the nuclear side of the bill. There's a huge inconsistency in the approach right now, where polluter pays is not in the purpose statement of the nuclear side, and there's no supplier and contractor liability, ever.

Natural Resources committee  Yes, you can deal with a few months or a few weeks with people whose livelihood is on the land or tourist operators or others who might be impacted, but the issue is, if they're embroiled in longer claims periods, they could well eventually obtain their funds but they may be out of business by then, or so far set back they can't recover.

Natural Resources committee  On the nuclear side I know there are. On the oil and gas side, Mr. Amos might be more familiar. The difference—

Natural Resources committee  The concern there is that the amount is insufficient. I have a slightly different view in that I agree there should be an absolute liability amount in both sectors. What I also think is that there should be negligence beyond the absolute liability amount in both sectors, but I don't think a billion dollars is sufficient, in any way, shape, or form, in either sector.

Natural Resources committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you to the committee for inviting CELA to speak to you today about Bill C-22, the energy safety and security act. CELA is a 44-year-old national ENGO, and when we're looking at conventional sources of energy, the areas we're focusing on are usually around things like liability, safety, emergency planning, and environmental health.

Environment committee  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Environment committee  That's right.

Environment committee  It was primarily a federal program, but it was undertaken under federal-provincial arrangements, and then other programs were often leveraged, such as the Canada-Ontario agreement or, in Ontario, source water protection. Over the years, extensive efforts were undertaken that alleviated water pollution into waterways from agricultural and other non-point sources.