Transport committee  Certainly I would think in cases where, let's say, it's producers who are the shareholders of that particular short-line to their benefit and transport, they would be contracting with an end terminal for the export. So they're already in interaction with that actual shipper, for instance, off the west coast.

Transport committee  From the perspective of grain producers, which, as several grain groups have mentioned, are not legal shippers, when our bulk shippers, our smaller specialty crop and containerized shippers, and/or the value-added processors have all consistently talked about reciprocal penalties for over a decade as something that they see as tightening up just that conceptual and not legal relationship between the shipper and the railway, we as a producer group are 100% in support of the reciprocal penalties as a concept and in terms of their application.

Transport committee  Thank you. Just very briefly, Bill C-49 attempts to address several long-standing issues in the rail transportation marketplace. You've heard from grain sector representatives, including grain shippers and farm groups, yesterday and this morning, regarding their perspectives on various commercial and legal aspects of the bill, including around reciprocal penalties, long-haul interswitching, and other elements.