Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes, I think I was clear. As I said, I had nothing to do with the central campaign in 2021. I was very clear that I disagreed with the campaign's direction on a few things, most notably campaigning to support a carbon tax. That was an extremely big one. I don't think it's mutually exclusive.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Well, Mr. Green, prior to, of course, the Tides's funding campaigns that helped both you and your coalition partners in the 2015 election, please tell me when there were any reports of foreign interference in a Canadian election?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I don't know why it is. I think this is an issue that they obviously don't want to talk about. There's reason they haven't called a public inquiry, which would have been a very easy thing to do. There's a reason they drag their feet and filibustered this committee so that Katie Telford, the Prime Minister's chief of staff, wasn't able to attend.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I think it's extremely concerning. Mr. Chong has been a long-time defender of human rights abroad. It was his motion on the treatment of Uyghurs within China by the Beijing administration that caused his family in Hong Kong to be targeted. To your point, Mr. Nater, this was a motion that the Liberal cabinet abstained from, as well as some backbench MPs and a couple of backbench NDP MPs.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  No, I think it absolutely is not, and I think it speaks to the heart of where the Liberal Party is right now. They do not take this issue seriously. They do not like the fact that the opposition and the media refuse to let up until they get answers.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  In terms of the convoy, I believe Liberal Justice Rouleau stated that there was actually no evidence that foreign money or foreign interference was actually part of...that he found any evidence that was part of what happened in terms of the freedom convoy. You were on the committee, so you would probably have—

Procedure and House Affairs committee  If you're talking about donations, over 62,000 people donated $9.7 million to our leadership—

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Precautions.... I guess the only thing you could be talking about would be fundraising, so that's what I was trying to address.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It might be in other parties. I know that the Liberal Party of Canada has free membership. I'm not sure what your party has. Ours is a $15 one-year membership. People must pay by their own credit card or they must pay by a personal cheque.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  There are very clear Elections Canada rules regarding leadership, and there are very clear party rules regarding leadership. In terms of the donations, as I said, over 62,000 people donated close to $9.7 million—

Procedure and House Affairs committee  We've seen it, based on the reports we've seen, from the Liberal Party in terms of nominations across the board.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  No, I never said I wasn't briefed by CSIS. I said I was never briefed by CSIS on foreign interference or any matter regarding that.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  No, it never came to mind, because I never had any thought that there were foreign actors participating in the election process, except that there were press reports leading up to the 2015—

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It leads into the first time that I considered that foreign interference could be a problem. It was what I said in terms of the Tides Foundation funding Leadnow, which was—

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I was not in the Prime Minister's Office when that incident happened. I was the director of political operations. I can say that, leading into the 2015 campaign, I was not briefed by CSIS on any—