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Information & Ethics committee  In fact, Mr. Chair, we will be saving some time because I indicated to the clerk this morning that I did not have any opening remarks. I will stop right there.

March 21st, 2024Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  At the end of the report, on the last page.... Michael is finding it. If I recall correctly, we had 22 people we contacted for documents, and we interviewed seven. That's out of memory.

March 21st, 2024Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  It's in the public domain, Mr. Chair. We interviewed former minister Morneau; former minister Wilson-Raybould; Mathieu Bouchard, who was the senior adviser to the PM; Nathalie Drouin, deputy minister of justice; Elder Marques, senior adviser to the PM; and Michael Wernick, who was with you two days ago.

March 21st, 2024Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  There are consequences, but we haven't seen them yet. Sometimes it's something that happens in the medium or long term.

October 16th, 2023Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  My mandate was for seven years, but I had to step down after five years for health reasons.

October 16th, 2023Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  If you heard me say we did not get co-operation, I don't know where that came from, because we consistently received good co-operation from those who were under investigation throughout my five years. There's no question about that. It's not about co-operation; it's about what happens after the conclusion has been reached and the report is published.

October 16th, 2023Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  We did a review of this nature while I was there. We provided that to the predecessor committee, or maybe this one. I'm not sure which legislature it was, but we did give this committee a table of various jurisdictions and various consequences. I must admit I have forgotten. It's not cut and dried, as you say in English.

October 16th, 2023Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  It's a matter of personality. There are people are rather messy and others are extremely tidy and organized. That's a factor. There are people who have managed their whole lives to do anything without consequences and can continue to do so. There are people who have always taken everything seriously; I was in that category.

October 16th, 2023Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  We are one of the players in the system. We need to know our role and its limitations, and accept them. When I accepted the position, I knew that I wasn't becoming prime minister and that I couldn't decide everything. It didn't cause me any sustained frustration. I may have felt some frustration in the hours that followed, but after that it was okay.

October 16th, 2023Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  They fluctuate from time to time, but there's no marked change. We have 83% of people who did it on time and 17% who didn't. It's pretty complicated.

October 16th, 2023Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  I think so. The work began a long time ago. The Tait report, for instance, which dates back to 1996 or 1997, paved the way. A lot of time has been devoted to training, particularly for deputy ministers and assistant deputy ministers. The situation is much better than it was 25 years ago, but there is still a long way to go to make it even better.

October 16th, 2023Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  There's also the phenomenon that a few bad apples can get into any group.

October 16th, 2023Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  The obligation to respond to a commissioner's report could be a possibility, as is the case for parliamentary committee reports. They make recommendations, as you did with the access to information systems, and the government has an obligation to provide a response within 90 days, five months, or whatever the time frame is.

October 16th, 2023Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  Feedback should be an obligation. There isn't any right now.

October 16th, 2023Committee meeting

Mario Dion

Information & Ethics committee  I have no idea.

October 16th, 2023Committee meeting

Mario Dion