National Defence committee  Yes. They're not building. As I said, I think there are more needed.

National Defence committee  There are more needed.

National Defence committee  There are all sorts of ways this particular issue of not having a home and not having a place to sleep could be mitigated. As I talked about, there's couch surfing, RVs and various things. However, for the more, we'll say, tragic situations of domestic violence and things like that, which do tragically occur, many bases and wings have one or two different residential housing units where they can accommodate the family short term until they're able to resolve that issue.

National Defence committee  When visiting Greenwood, as one of the last examples, I talked with representatives of the municipality. They were looking for how to get in contact with the department to discuss—whether it was a transfer of land or not—using unused land to build affordable housing and have more housing available for military families and so on.

National Defence committee  Because it's relatively recent, I haven't heard the outcome of those particular discussions. I think there's a lot of opportunity there. It may not be the same in every base and wing across the country, but some have a greater ability to do that than others.

National Defence committee  It's a recommendation to the government writ large. We have a lot of unused land that can probably help out in different ways with different solutions or different partnerships—whatever it might be. I would say there are a lot of opportunities to look at and implement various innovative solutions.

National Defence committee  Well, as I said, I don't rely on one source of information either. I listened to that particular testimony, and what I hear from members and families is the same thing, so that's pretty clear to me.

National Defence committee  That's correct.

National Defence committee  It may not be today. It may have been yesterday. It may be tomorrow that they're one paycheque away.

National Defence committee  As I stated earlier, the largest reason that people are leaving is military family issues. Over the last year and half, I've been hearing from various members and families on bases that the cost of housing and the cost of living are becoming more important. Access to a doctor, access to child care and access to spousal and partner employment still remain issues, but the cost of living and the cost of housing are becoming more important, as they are for all Canadians.

National Defence committee  That's correct.

National Defence committee  Can I finish this one point? It is important.

National Defence committee  In this case, they need to do better marketing outside, both to other federal departments and to provincial departments.

National Defence committee  I'll give you two examples. One is on the medical qualifications side. Medical qualifications are governed or licenced—however it works—provincially and territorially by the different medical associations. There needs to be more work done to understand and provide equivalencies.

National Defence committee  In terms of the fees, Brigadier-General Tattersall probably brought that forward. I'm not exactly sure which fee she was talking about. We'll assume it was the CFHD. In that regard, the CFHD was set up to accommodate or mitigate some of the issues with housing and the cost of housing in the community.