Public Accounts committee  I believe, as Mr. Gagliano told you, that we had meetings with the real property people from the public works department. I don't particularly remember this file, because it was five or six or seven years ago, but fundamentally we always asked the same questions. Normally the intent of these meetings with real property was to ascertain that the client was willing to....

Public Accounts committee  Yes, definitely.

Public Accounts committee  Not really, but I don't think I have the mechanism to receive the translation. I don't have an earphone, but it's okay.

Public Accounts committee  Nice as usual.

Public Accounts committee  No, sir.

Public Accounts committee  No, I didn't, because I didn't get the Auditor General's report. I got a big pile of documents, I would say about three or four inches thick, but the Auditor General's report wasn't in it. I have read most of the important testimony, and I've read the internal correspondence that was forwarded to me, and that is it.

Public Accounts committee  I have the table of the chronological events, but this is all I have. It's the first few pages, and it's called “Process/Chronology of Events Place Victoria”.

Public Accounts committee  Sir, it's very hard for me to say. If I can recap very shortly, Minister Gagliano left his post as minister on January 15, 2002, so up to that date I can answer your questions. As far as the figures are concerned, in the minister's office we were far from being experts at analyzing what the civil service did, particularly the real property service within the department.