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Finance committee  It's over 75%, in most cases.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  How much do they own of our domestic market, or...?

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  Yes, very much so.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  The only caution, again, is it opens up to the importers as well.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  Again, I'm not a trade specialist. We've been given advice on it saying that our position is clear. We would have liked to see the bill address 100% Canadian. We feel that would have been fair. We are raising the issue and are on the record that if there are potential issues in the future and we have issues related to the fact that we cannot move our grapes for whatever reason....

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  Thank you. We could say that there could be potential unintended consequences. However, we have stressed that we would like to see this bill apply only to Canadian. We've heard about the limitations on that because of the WTO issues, and we've been cautioned by our trade specialists, who are raising some issues with us as well.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  If this bill accomplishes what you've said, then it's accomplished what we want to see in the bill, which is that the Canadian market grows.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  Certainly. You were asking about the impact that it would have. As Hillary has identified, our future is in the growth of VQA, or 100% Canadian wine, obviously because of the direct economic impact. If we can balance out what is Canadian versus what may be imported, there will be growth.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  We certainly have the capacity, from the grapes perspective. Hillary can comment on the wine. We have the capacity. As I've outlined, one of our concerns is obviously a bill that would open up the opportunity for more import wines. We don't even own our own market share right now in the province of Ontario.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  I think we've raised some of the concerns about opening up the Importation of Intoxicating Liquors Act. Obviously, there has to be some careful scrutiny about that, and we've raised the concern about imports in our marketplace. It's already being done in Quebec right now, so we've raised the concerns, but I think it can be addressed appropriately through the bill.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  Dean, I think you're well aware that the last time we had a serious oversupply in the province of Ontario was 2008, and we dropped 8,000 tonnes of grapes on the ground. What we're trying to suggest today with the bill is that by going to 100% Canadian, we don't ever want to do that again.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  I just wanted to add that the presentation by CALJ was here last week, so that would have been a perfect opportunity to get their opinion on it. I'm not sure whether that question was asked of them but it might be a good question to ask them.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  I can defer to my wine partners on either side of me, but I would say we don't anticipate that this is going to be a massive amount of wine. This will be particular to each province.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  Absolutely.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman

Finance committee  Thank you. I think we're here today because we felt it was important to raise this issue. Obviously we're a Canadian-grown industry. What's important for us is that we continue to have that opportunity to grow in our own marketplace. The reason I raised the concern, and I think it's a very valid question, is that we don't want to see someone in Ontario who thinks they can order their fine wines from Europe from an LCBO in Alberta, and starting to eat into our marketplace.

April 3rd, 2012Committee meeting

Debbie Zimmerman