Public Safety committee  No. Again, I don't have the dates when all the farms came online. Many of them were born out of annexes at the time, related to an institution. I believe agriculture had more marketability in those particular days, but I don't have the exact dates of when they came online. I'm sorry.

Public Safety committee  I'm not sure of that.

Public Safety committee  Yes. There is no planned use for the land at this point in time. Our commissioner has indicated an interest in maintaining land as agricultural tract utilization here. We are actually, right now, exploring how we will make that work in a security environment. Obviously, there are local bylaws that have to be considered for elements such as pesticides for weed control.

Public Safety committee  As I mentioned, close to 70% of inmates come to us with unstable work histories, and 60% have no skill knowledge or elements. So if there's market availability out there, as we know very clearly, in terms of trades and vocational schools, if you have a person who's working in areas where he or she can actually accumulate hours towards vocational training and experience, those same skills of punctuality and teamwork will apply, with a stronger likelihood to have a market reality job upon release.

Public Safety committee  Yes, there was an example given. Actually, CBC put it on the radio. Out in Saskatchewan, 19 inmates worked on reserve land. I believe it was Lac La Ronge. They built a house for the first nation reserve. A number of those inmates have already gone on to obtain work. This is exactly what the commissioner continues to challenge us with in terms of those types of elements, where job skills are transferable to market realities.

Public Safety committee  Yes, very much so.

Public Safety committee  How many farms might we have had 50 years ago?

Public Safety committee  I'm sorry. I wouldn't know.

Public Safety committee  Because, as has been communicated here, the jobs available in agricultural work right now are very wanting, whereas other jobs in vocational training right now are in strong demand, to the point where in some cases we know that supply will not be able to be filled until 2015. There's a market for inmates to gain employable skills.

Public Safety committee  I'll speak to you about some of the planning elements for the Ontario region, and perhaps Mr. Sargent can speak to the other ones we have. One of the elements we're looking at right now at Frontenac Institution is a CORCAN demolition program. This will be third-party certification in construction skills.

Public Safety committee  Fourteen, 24, 15 to 20, 10 to 12--they're all under consideration. If I had time to get to the Pittsburgh Institution...some have started in some of the areas.

Public Safety committee  March 2011 is the closure date, but we are closing in gradients. Different things will close at different times.

Public Safety committee  It will go to the normal procurement process and be put out to tender. Canadian farmers will be able to apply for those tenders.

Public Safety committee  Yes. I'll just use the Ontario region as a reference. I still will be required to purchase milk and eggs. CORCAN will no longer be a supplier for me. I have to put those out to tender for consideration by others.

Public Safety committee  I'm sorry. I apologize, but I just wanted to say that we will buy them from where those are forwarded or whoever owns that contract. What Mr. Godbole is saying is we don't have the name of who owns that contract. We can provide that to you, but the system is that we would buy from whoever was successful in the bid for that contract that we would put out.