Government Operations committee  I believe Mr. Sauvé also made donations to political parties.

Government Operations committee  You'll have to ask Mr. Sauvé those questions when he appears before you. I can't answer for Mr. Sauvé.

Government Operations committee  I worked for Mr. Sauvé for a long time before he got that contract. At that time, we didn't even talk about the possibility of getting a contract related to the government buildings. He had a lot of other contracts. After his bankruptcy, Mr. Sauvé started over from scratch. If I correctly read the article you have before you, his turnover had reached nearly $25 million.

Government Operations committee  I asked Mr. Pichet, who was seated elsewhere, to come by and say hello to me. I called him. I told him to come because I had someone to introduce to him. I introduced Mr. Sauvé to him. He may have sat with us for 5 or 10 minutes. I don't know. I don't remember. I have sat down with Mr.

Government Operations committee  Are you asking me what Mr. Pichet does?

Government Operations committee  I know he teaches at university. I'm not sure whether it's the Université du Québec or the Université de Sherbrooke. He also works with Senator Pierre Claude Nolin.

Government Operations committee  I met him once; I went to play in his golf tournament. I may have met him in other circumstances, but I don't really remember. However, I remember playing in his golf tournament.

Government Operations committee  I'm familiar with that act. The reason I'm not on the list of lobbyists is that that's not what I do. I've never intervened with the government on this matter. If I had had to intervene, I would have registered.

Government Operations committee  No, I made donations to the party on a voluntary basis. I very often attended cocktail parties. Those who were in a position to observe know that I have an extremely busy life with associations; I've chaired a lot of boards, I've done volunteer work all my life. When I worked for the party, it was volunteer work.

Government Operations committee  I don't exactly remember the charges that were laid. You say so; so you must have the file.

Government Operations committee  Yes, I was already a friend of Mr. Pichet's at the time. I had known him for some time before the 1984 election. That is why I said it was probably in 1980s. I've known him for a very long time. Mr. Pichet has been a political organizer for a long time.

Government Operations committee  No, no.

Government Operations committee  I probably met Frank Moores once or twice at cocktail parties, but I didn't know him at all. I knew Fred Doucet by name, and I've previously said hello to him, but I don't know him beyond that.

Government Operations committee  No, never.

Government Operations committee  Absolutely not, because, as you know, I had lunch with Mr. Sauvé on a number of occasions. I don't know the dates. I didn't keep an agenda concerning that. It often happened at the last minute. He called me and asked me if I was free for lunch. If I was free, it worked.