Veterans Affairs committee  Well, I've never had one. I don't wish one on you, but—

Veterans Affairs committee  Well, it's fairly common. What is even more common are CAT scans. CAT scans are X-rays. There are many X-rays in one exam. On average, depending on the instrument, one CAT scan will give you 15 millisieverts, which is considerable. It's external. It happens at once, but it's still radiation.

Veterans Affairs committee  Which one? The first one or...?

Veterans Affairs committee  No, they're not quite the same thing. The second one really refers to studies that were done specifically on military cohorts or groups. I referred earlier to the NATO countries study. These studies looked at cancer, mortality, and cancer incidence. The reason they were looked at separately is that these were done by different NATO countries on soldiers who had gone to different zones.

Veterans Affairs committee  With those who have depleted uranium?

Veterans Affairs committee  Oh, very much so. This is the Baltimore study. We've looked at that. It's very important. That's an experiment in itself. We have a number of soldiers who have depleted uranium in their bodies through an unfortunate friendly fire situation. They have been identified. They're followed at the veterans hospital in Baltimore.

Veterans Affairs committee  You could not draw any conclusion from it.

Veterans Affairs committee  They would not have been of any use at all.

Veterans Affairs committee  It measures external radiation. It was used when we were preparing for nuclear war, to measure external radiation. There were significant doses of radiation following bomb detonations.

Veterans Affairs committee  Treatments are possible.

Veterans Affairs committee  I have to interrupt you. Perhaps you might want to put your question another way. It is not possible for an individual to say that at such and such an exact moment and in such and such an exact place, he was exposed to a precise amount of depleted uranium or cadmium.

Veterans Affairs committee  Yes, I am.

Veterans Affairs committee  It is not the same kind of radiation.

Veterans Affairs committee  It is quite common. I am a doctor. If someone comes to me in tears and tells me that he is depressed, I can diagnose depression, but there is no test for depression. It is wrong to think that everything can be shown with physical tests, like blood tests, urine tests, X-rays or CT scans.

Veterans Affairs committee  Yes. The Doha fire was investigated very thoroughly by the Americans. It was their fire and it was their DU weapons and they had many more troops there. They did a very comprehensive review. I read that report three or four times. What they determined based on their live fire and all of these previous studies, the aerosolization studies as they call them, on how depleted uranium forms small particles and how they get into the air....