Public Accounts committee  I'm going to turn to Mr. Crosby, who is our ADM materiel, to—

Public Accounts committee  Am I aware of any work done...?

Public Accounts committee  I'm aware of the requirement, and I know we've—

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, I was not certain what the committee would ask, so I prepared myself the best I could, and if I've—

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, I will, but my current understanding is that the Department of National Defence does not audit compliance against that policy. I will check to see if there has been auditing done, but I am not aware of any. Troy may—

Public Accounts committee  Certainly, Mr. Chair. The key evidence for me was the signed contract with a date after his employment with the public service—National Defence—started, but I do want to be clear that my bigger concern was around his lack of disclosure of his conflicts as an employee. That alone is a shortcoming, but yes, we do have evidence that activity continued as part of Dalian.

Public Accounts committee  I would say it's highly suspicious. He did provide an explanation as to how that signature occurred, but he also, I believe, Mr. Chair, talked about the delayed process in putting his assets or business interests into a blind trust. Again, I am more concerned about his lack of disclosure of a conflict of interest.

Public Accounts committee  I would say, Mr. Chair, that it depends on the area. We've certainly seen growth in both the number of our public servants and also in our contracted dollars over the last few years. The defence budget is increasing. Both are growing. I think we've had some interesting discussion here today around the use of body shops for IT services as well as health care workers.

Public Accounts committee  I wouldn't, Mr. Chair. It's a tough one to answer at such a high level. I would say that when you're looking at the contracted services through body shops or agencies, they are more often than not a question of public service versus contractor, not a question of armed forces member versus contractor.

Public Accounts committee  I believe the goal, Mr. Chair, is 5%.

Public Accounts committee  If there is a family member working for the same department, that is a concern, since there were problems with Mr. Yeo and ethics. I am not aware of any link between contracting and any family relations who work in the department. Based on this question, I'm happy to go back and make sure that there are no links.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, I'm aware of the strategy for indigenous procurement.

Public Accounts committee  I cannot give you that number, Mr. Chair. I'm not sure if my colleague, Troy, can.

Public Accounts committee  We do have people who are monitoring our compliance with the strategy. I'm happy to provide further information to the committee on how we're doing.

Public Accounts committee  I'm aware that Mr. Yeo applied through this strategy.