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Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you, Commissioner. You mentioned earlier—and we've heard it repeated by others—tow trucks as an example of one of the reasons or rationales for the act's invocation. Was consideration given to use aid to the civil power so that you could actually use military tow trucks and military vehicles to remove the vehicles from either Coutts or Ottawa?

May 10th, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  My perspective is that it's not part of the motion. That's part of the clerk's direction. That's right.

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  I wish it were that easy. Thank you, Mr. Chair, though. The reality is that we ask at the highest level. They will bring an entourage with them who we may or may not have responses. I'm not worried about their not having the operational responses. Commissioner Lucki will bring one or two deputies, and maybe an aide will come with her.

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  My perspective is that the clerk needs to make it very clear that the witnesses presented are at the highest level—the deputy commissioner, commissioner, CSIS director, deputy director— not finding us—

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you very much. Respectfully, my perspective on the RCMP is that having the RCMP without CSIS at the same time will find us wavering on responses that we will be trying to pursue. If we're going to do this, I would like to see us with both those agencies at the same time. For the full three hours, I'm fine with that.

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  Honestly, I would like to suggest, and it can be formal if you wish, my perspective is that to have the RCMP without CSIS in relation to this, we will miss pieces. I don't want to find us missing pieces. That's all. For me, the full three hours, we will eat it up with both of them and I think it will be helpful to all of us to have both here answering questions.

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  Have they ever discussed with you the fact that they had that information about specific account holders?

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  Can you give me specifics on how long the accounts were inaccessible for the account holders?

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  Do you know if all criminal investigations were completed by the time they were unfrozen?

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  So for about a week and a half this large amount of money in 180, give or take, accounts was frozen. You're not sure if any criminal investigations were conducted, and none of the accounts continued to be frozen past that period. Is that correct?

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  Okay. Thank you for that. Mr. MacKillop, were any of the—I will call them targets, only because I'm sure that's what the police would refer to them as—targets found on the list provided to FINTRAC to identify whether or not you had further information that could be provided to the banks or financial institutions?

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  I'm sorry, Mr. MacKillop. I understand you couldn't go to those banks, but did any law enforcement agencies go to FINTRAC and ask FINTRAC to provide information that they could then provide to financial institutions?

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  So you're saying that has not occurred. They have not come back and asked you for information specific to any of the entities.

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White

Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. That's it.

May 3rd, 2022Committee meeting

Vernon White