Natural Resources committee  I would agree with that. You can use the Enwave project in the city of Toronto as an example. As I understand the latest on it, I heard they were oversubscribed. All the office buildings and new developments want to sign on to the deep lake water cooling. These are some of the community systems that I think we can put into Canadian communities.

Natural Resources committee  That's the report we used.

Natural Resources committee  As I said, it mainly goes back to building performance and urban form. Some of our cities, such as Toronto, are doing quite well, but I think we can bring it further down with some further considerations--

Natural Resources committee  It's in the report that was issued by the Institute for Local Self-Reliance. It's referenced here at the bottom of the slide. Is that on your slide?

Natural Resources committee  I wouldn't say they take that long, but big developments, like Southeast False Creek in Vancouver's Olympic Village, or Dockside Green, require quite a bit of research and thinking about what the right thing to do is. Then there are all kinds of impediments for people wanting to implement these.

Natural Resources committee  I agree with you that it's used fairly loosely right now. We know why, because of what's happening south of the border. I think Andrew covered one side of what those green jobs are in terms of production, manufacturing, and development of new green technologies that can help us, not just in housing but in all aspects of life.

Natural Resources committee  That's correct. It would require, first of all, a system that is sized to provide the same service at the home level, rather than having a big plant in a whole community development that services 5,000 people. So there is some research to be put into it. With house systems and systems that would work on a home scale, most of the systems you have now are from other parts of the world—many from Europe—like solar hot water and on-demand water heaters that only come on when you actually need the water.

Natural Resources committee  Again, I think there are two strategies. For new housing developments, I think we really ought to look at integrated energy systems. For existing homes, I think there are a number of technologies available now, as Andrew already pointed out, such as high-efficiency furnaces, on-demand water heaters, solar hot water, geothermal systems.

Natural Resources committee  Under the LEED, buildings take into account what we call solar orientation.

Natural Resources committee  Solar orientation, proper massing of the building, daylighting of the building, so that you cut down on energy use—just the proper siting and the proper daylighting strategies can reduce energy use, like lighting used in a building, by 30%.

Natural Resources committee  These will be called water credits within LEED and they are very easy to get. We see many buildings that use low-flow plumbing fixtures, and they also collect rain water for toilet flushing, for storage in cisterns for irrigation, for all kinds of uses. So that again is something in the building code that is very difficult to do.

Natural Resources committee  It's the cover page. This is available from us. If you are interested, you can be a member and you can get that for free.

Natural Resources committee  We are a self-sustaining, non-profit organization, so yes. But if you're interested, I'd be happy to send you a copy.

Natural Resources committee  I don't know if there must be residues. I think they also have an on-site composting system. This is just one of the systems they have on the side. There is a waste water system, where they have some solids and so on being composted. Since it's a fairly environmentally friendly process, most of the residue from the development is diverted to the composting project.

Natural Resources committee  As far as I know, it has to be chipped. But they can use pine beetle wood for the source. They can use any wood, even from urban prunings. It can't have the leaves on it; it has to be solid wood. It has to be chipped to a certain size, and I don't know exactly which size that is.