Procedure and House Affairs committee  If I can, Speaker, I'll go to you. You raise these questions, but nobody is saying there was any kind of deficiency in the plan, the very question that I asked. There is no evidence of that. This is just new technology and an opportunity to up the game, and this is the cost of that.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Okay. I'm satisfied. I'll move along. I don't know if this is in the documents we had here, but it must be available because the researchers provided us with a chart. Now it's main estimates to main estimates, as opposed to actuals to main estimates, let alone actuals to actuals.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Okay.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I really didn't ask.... Well, I asked about services. I understand that. You're good at explaining why it went down. I want to know why some went up from $75,000 to $500,000 and from $50,000 to $600,000. These are big numbers and you're telling me you don't have any idea at this meeting about these numbers?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Pardon?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Thank you, Chair. Speaker, it's good to see you again for the last go-around. It's the last go-around, guaranteed, at least between you and me. With any luck you'll be here many times again, Speaker, and I wish you well on that, but this is our last go. I know you'd be extremely disappointed if I didn't raise the issue, along with my good friend Mr.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That sounds good. We're getting our report translated.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Chair, I know you're about to go to another notice of motion and engage in a debate. I'd just like the opportunity to formally submit a notice of motion, not to be debated today, but also to underscore that I'm just the vehicle for this. This is the work of a number of respected veteran parliamentarians who are looking for changes.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That sounds good. We just need to nail down the details, Chair, but we can do that. Thanks, Minister. Now I'll pass it to my colleague Mr. Cullen.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair. Minister, thank you very much for attending again. I just want to say that, unlike some ministers past, not once have you played a game or taken the opportunity for scheduling changes in order to dodge or avoid the questions. Some of them have been pretty tough meetings.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That sounds a little wishy-washy. They're reporting to whom? Either there's going to be a review by Parliament or there isn't. If they're going to issue a report—

Procedure and House Affairs committee  All right. What about PROC?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes, I understand that. We might need to have a little bit of a discussion about that. I can appreciate that. Again, I've spent some time in that world, but at the end of the day, they are guided by some pretty strong issues around intelligence, and that's not what we would be seeking.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  At the end of the day, that body should not be allowed to proceed when they're appointed solely by the executive without having, at the very least, a key scrutinizing process at the end to ensure they did what Parliament would expect, and if we can make any improvements going forward.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I'll pull them all together, if I can.