Government Operations committee  Thank you very much. I sent in ahead of time a one-pager. If people can have that one-pager in front of them, it would help them understand better what I'm going to talk about. I'll be very to the point and get right at it. When we talk about buildings, there are two types of b

Government Operations committee  Bye-bye.

Government Operations committee  Thank you.

Government Operations committee  Thank you for the opportunity. I've been here for three weeks now, waiting for this. I'm only joking. Thank you very much. I run Global Resource Efficiency Services. We're a strategic energy management group. We operate across Canada. We're integrators and planners and we help

Government Operations committee  Thank you.

Government Operations committee  First, the money required to make changes is already in the system. It's going out the window. If you have inefficiency in the operations of your buildings, the money's there. What you do is capture those funds and capitalize them. You don't need new money; you already have it in

Government Operations committee  I can answer that. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

Government Operations committee  It's Brian here. Let me add something in there. We just dealt with a facility like that in Calgary. Do we keep it or do we buy another one? What we did with that facility was a capital asset plan, looking at a 25-year horizon. There are 25 components in a building. What is the c

Government Operations committee  First of all, you have buying power as the federal government, so when you approach whomever—Oxford, O&Y, or whomever—you're going to lease so much space, you've got buying power. You don't need a law. Laws would be nice, but you just say, “Here are the standards of perform

Government Operations committee  Well, that's the historical premium. They've had to come down because of competition. But when you do an energy performance contract, you're buying insurance, and they put a premium on the retrofit. That's why it's more expensive.

Government Operations committee  No, I said 20% to 40%, and it depends which ESCO or energy service company you're working with,.

Government Operations committee  I can add something. We do a lot of training and working with all the different people in charge of different parts of the buildings. You have facilities, capital planning, the operations people, and so forth. They deal with their responsibilities in silos, and they don't talk.

Government Operations committee  Well, I have a lot of experience in that world, and it's tough. It's tough, if you're the tenant, to engage an ESCO, an energy service company, to do an energy performance contract; that has to be done by the owner. You have to say to the owner that either they upgrade the facili

Government Operations committee  For the buildings you own, of course you need to take a strategic approach, but you start with an assessment: what is the building energy intensity of each of the facilities you own? You start with the worst. Say you have 100 buildings. The worst are the ones you attack first, bu

Government Operations committee  The city of Edmonton has one; the city of Toronto has one. I think the city of Toronto has $22 million; Edmonton's is small, $5 million. These kinds of revolving funds exist in New York. There are lots of examples of where they exist. The beauty of it is that you create, say, ha