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Natural Resources committee Yes. I'm not the best person in our network, and I can get more information to the committee, for sure, from the person who is. The reliance on other fuels is something we should check and make sure data is being adequately collected. I haven't seen any data—probably because the
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee When I mentioned California, I said they took a number of different approaches to even address this problem, so even though I have referenced that jurisdiction they didn't think that their normal statistics and data collection would get the answers they needed about the barriers
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee To be honest, we don't have a ton of expertise in Canada in that, although it's improving as different utilities adopt these programs, for sure, and they start to develop in-house capacity. The Low-Income Energy Network has access to an expert named Roger Colton, who has actually
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee You're welcome.
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee I was just looking at the Financial Accountability Office's analysis and that was particular to 2014. I don't know if we've summarized that anywhere. I think that's the kind of thing that could and should be summarized. I'm not totally sure. The Ontario Energy Board might have do
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee We do now. Unfortunately, I don't have the number off the top of my head. There were some inquiries by media last year and the year before, and the Ontario Energy Board is now collecting and publishing the number of disconnections from different utilities across the province here
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee Definitely more of them are renters, because more low-income families are renters in the first place. In a lot of non-urban areas, definitely a lot of the seniors on fixed incomes will also not necessarily have good insulation in their housing and that kind of thing. I don't thin
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee No, it wasn't that they were cheaper. It was that they're using electricity and natural gas, and almost no other fuels like heating oil and so on. I was just making the point that when we're looking at energy policy and the data we need for energy policy, we need to take into acc
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee No. That would be a great question to analyze, because the Ontario Medical Association was the leading organization that had analyzed the health effects in Ontario of the coal use and the number of deaths that were happening with those smog days. That's a great question to follow
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee Overall, I would—
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee They would basically be the same. I'm not advocating for a new institution for the sake of a new institution. The question that I'm trying to answer is, if there's going to be a new energy collecting institution and analysis organization, it needs to not forget about low-income i
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee Yes, we'll do that.
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee Yes. For low-income households in particular, we have pointed to British Columbia, California, some of the other U.S. states, and other jurisdictions like Quebec in our advocacy here when we were trying to persuade our province that it needed a low-income-specific rebate or some
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee The data we've analyzed the most has been Ontario data in our role as an Ontario legal aid clinic. However, in attending a national energy poverty conference for a few years and working with my colleagues who do reach out to people at Dalhousie and elsewhere, we see there are dif
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan
Natural Resources committee First of all, on the question of unintended consequences, that's true in many parts of the country. There was quite a push here too for social housing and many forms of housing to be heated with electricity back in the seventies, for example, when it was perceived that electricit
May 22nd, 2018Committee meeting
Theresa McClenaghan