Industry committee  If we don't do something to correct this manufacturing situation, we'll become a colony. Lee Iacocca, in the 1980s, wrote a book about this. He wrote about the demise of manufacturing in North America. I don't know if you've read it. We don't want to become a colony. We have a lot of good things happening.

Industry committee  An in-depth study, yes.

Industry committee  May I ask that the second question be repeated? I only got part of it.

Industry committee  The only thing I would like to add is that we haven't addressed people crossing, such as customers who come to visit us. Key personnel have a heck of a time crossing that border going both ways. Even when they get to Canada, they have to get back into the States. Again, when we're exporting so much to the United States, the last things these people need are problems crossing the border.

Industry committee  Yes. Again, we don't want War and Peace here. I've reiterated that statement throughout what I've said here today. Again, I just want to reiterate the briefing that I have here. That study could have been used against us. We could have been a victim. They were looking to put tariffs on us because they know that so many disproportionate amounts of moulds are going into the United States.

Industry committee  Again, I don't want to throw any other industry under the bus, because all manufacturing is important. Again, though, I reiterate that I'm protecting mould-making. It's a proven fact, especially in Windsor and Canada, that Windsor is a world-leading-class mould-making producer. It is world class.

Industry committee  Most of our competition is from the States.

Industry committee  Absolutely. I agree with everything Mr. Storey said. Also, when I said I thought the law of economics would take care of itself, in China we heard that as they're going through working with western countries and so on and so forth, they've gone to a looser free enterprise system.

Industry committee  Yes, absolutely. You can't police consumers, but because certain situations are allowed to exist, you have a piling-on effect. One company does it, and it's like littering: if you throw one thing out the window, there isn't a mess, but if everybody suddenly litters, you have a mess.

Industry committee  Yes. Absolutely. In my bag of tricks, which I didn't submit to the committee, you can read Sports Illustrated. They did it with golf clubs, like the Ping and King Cobra golf clubs. A person in these plants makes $10,000, but they get paid $200,000 to take it down the road. These are the things that are going on in China.

Industry committee  I can elaborate on that if you'd like. Again, we've been to a lot of meetings and we've seen a lot of things happen, and this is all part of the China situation. That's why I thought things would take care of themselves, because of what's happening. Say a company like Black & Decker spends the R and D money here in North America.

Industry committee  Thank you. We had a gentleman here at this table earlier, in the first session. He did everything you should, on paper, be doing right. He was taking advantage of the R and D programs. He was innovative. He was a progressive-thinking person. Again, as Mr. Storey has alluded to, it's the labour issue from China.

Industry committee  Oil is oil, but manufacturing is all-encompassing. There are several manufacturers. Again, I'm representing mould making and so is Mr. Storey. But throughout this community, there's a wide variety of manufacturers. Look at the have provinces. Alberta is a have province, but Ontario always has been a have province because we have a strong manufacturing base.

Industry committee  I didn't know that we'd have this committee, so I'm just going from memory. Last October, a delegation of toolmakers from Korea was invited to the Greater Toronto Area. OEMs from Canada were encouraged to go there. Basically, it was like, “Toolmakers, here are our Canadian OEMs.

Industry committee  Okay. Hopefully we'll get to the solutions during the question-and-answer period.