Public Accounts committee  No; we were dealing with the RCMP. We were dealing--

Public Accounts committee  We were directed by the RCMP to use Morneau Sobeco.

Public Accounts committee  No, it wouldn't be normal.

Public Accounts committee  The RCMP was going to pay for the services, so there was no cost to Great-West Life.

Public Accounts committee  It was an unusual request.

Public Accounts committee  I'm not sure exactly who it was at the RCMP or whether it was Pat Casey who provided us with that direction.

Public Accounts committee  He was who we were working with on the insurance outsourcing.

Public Accounts committee  You were just asking me who we got the communication from, and I said I'm not sure.

Public Accounts committee  We were working also with members of the RCMP.

Public Accounts committee  He was their representative on the insurance outsourcing.

Public Accounts committee  I don't have a specific name.

Public Accounts committee  We contracted with the RCMP and subcontracted the work to Morneau Sobeco.

Public Accounts committee  Yes. We had a lot of discussions between ourselves and Morneau Sobeco in trying to incorporate appropriate indemnities into the agreements.

Public Accounts committee  Is that directed at Mr. Casey or me? The translation said Mr. Casey.

Public Accounts committee  The contract to do the outsourcing work was between the RCMP and Great-West Life. Subsequently, we contracted that work to Morneau Sobeco.