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Public Safety committee I hadn't realized that wasn't true in Calgary, and if it's happening in Edmonton, a proud side of me might like to claim a wee bit of credit for that because I've spoken to them continuously saying that this is a medical emergency. At the end of the day, what I've basically taugh
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee I don't think so, although it's interesting that when you look at our four deaths, one was in Red Deer, the other three were in Edmonton, and they haven't had one in Calgary. Whether that has any bearing on it I honestly don't know.
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee In one of the Alberta cases in which a taser was used, which we believe was a death due to excited delirium, he received three five-second shocks at the scene and was then transported in an ambulance to an emergency room. They then had to transfer him from the ambulance stretcher
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee Yes, both of them did. That person in prison died, and the person in the Alberta case accounted for one of the deaths that we have had. But interestingly enough, the person in the Alberta case died after the administration of a chemical restraint—drugs given by doctors--so you ha
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee I can't speak for all coroners and medical examiners, but it is our job, as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure Andrew would agree that if we think this is the cause of death, it is our job to put it there. I'm fortunate enough to work in Alberta justice, which is full of lawyers who
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee I honestly don't know.
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee Or they're elected.
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee Yes, and the reason is that if I were in a state of excited delirium, I would rather a police officer pulled out a taser than a gun. It's that simple.
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee Excited delirium is one circumstance where the pepper spray can almost make it worse.
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee You should also realize that police do report cases of excited delirium where the taser itself does not have that much effect--that they can discern.
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee I would agree.
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee After death, those levels are meaningless.
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee What you have to understand is that when we talk about adrenalin and potassium, we're talking about what we refer to as a mechanism of death, not the actual cause of death. Just for your information, the cause of death is defined as the disease or injury that initiates a downhill
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling
Public Safety committee Actually, the condition or syndrome, or whatever you want to call it, was first described by psychiatrists in the 1800s. The terms they used are slightly different--acute exhaustive mania, lethal catatonia, and some other terms--but psychiatrists were the first ones to describe i
April 28th, 2008Committee meeting
Dr. Graeme Dowling